Should we not ask just who was/is being killed ??

 

If you kill innocent people for your radical belief systems youre a terrorist. This freedom fighter nonsense is a bullshit term people have made up to defend these retards who think what they are doing is right and ture.

 

So you are clear in your mind and your heart that Nelson Mandela and George Washington were terrorists, then?

 

Mandela-Terrorist

IRA- Terrorists

american revoloution- civil war

imho

 

Very good post for good information. thanks.

ddsagency . com

 

Ancient thread is ancient.

 

"irrelevant" sources against the atomic bombing of Japan

tenguy still thinks the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were good and justified acts. He claims that the following sources which I have posted on many occasions are, using his term, "irrelevant."

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[FONT=&quot]UNITED STATES STRATEGIC BOMBING SURVEY[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]SUMMARY REPORT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](Pacific War)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]WASHINGTON, D.C.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 JULY 1946 [/FONT]

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.
[FONT=&quot]https://www.anesi.com/ussbs01.htm#teotab[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]"...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380 [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63 [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "MacArthur's views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed." He continues, "When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Norman Cousins, The Pathology of Power, pg. 65, 70-71. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm [/FONT]
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terrorist - a definition

I would define a terrorist as someone who makes a point of killing civilians in civilian locations. I am unaware that Nelson Mandela planned the destruction of night clubs and restaurants patronized by whites when whites were present. I am unaware that the American Revolutionaries engaged in the random killing of colonialists who supported the British, as many did. During the Hungarian Uprising, those who rose against the Communist government in Hungary did not kill members of the Hungarian Communist Party. They certainly did not kill their children. They fought the Soviet Army with rocks.

Suicide bombers who destroy Israeli nightclubs, mosques, and schools are terrorists, by my definition. So were the Contras. The Contras occasionally fought Sandinista military units, but they preferred to destroy health clinics, and schools.

 

Still as valid a discussion now as it was then.....

and, having reread the whole thing, I guess it all comes down to what kind of freedom anyone seeks, from whatever tyranny.

Whether actual violence, be it terrorism as we know it today......or unauthorised invasion with 'shock and awe' tactics as an actual recognised method of war is justified could be debated until the cows come home.

However, just as abuse begets abuse, even on these forums.....violence only normally begets violence too....in whatever form.

Blessed are the peacemakers.

 

your wrong there the military aim behind the bombing of cities like Dresden was to make the Germans defend them with anti aircraft guns (88mm) this act stopped 100s if not 1000s of 88mm antitank or field artillery guns being produced and deployed to the Normandy beaches

just think what 500 more German guns could have done on D Day

but it was without doubt an act of terror but then terror is the aim of war

 

al-Mabhouh is a terrorist yet Hamas complain when Israel uses their own tactics to eliminate the threat he poses.

 

Like I said.....Violence begets only violence.

I'd kind of LOVE to know what happens in those tunnels that stretch between the Israeli and Arab quarters.

 

DL, we must have gone over this half a dozen times by now. A report issued after the fact has no bearing on decisions made before it is issued. In order for you to claim the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not justified, you would have to present evidence prior to the bombing, citing said prior opinions that the casualties inflicted by the bombings would be greater than the casualties sustained during the invasions of China and Japan.

 

Why not?

Are you suggesting that the president at the time had no clue as to the effect of such devastation?

I wonder what Oppenheimer would have said.

Do you even know who he is?

 

I think what's pertinent to this particular thread is that, whether or not those two atomic bombs were justified, they were still terrorist acts. (And, frankly, I count at least one of them to have been a justified terrorist act).

That was rather the whole point of what I was saying umpty-umpt months ago. The notion we've got now that "terrorist" is inherently evil does not reflect well on our own Governments, who've been quite happy to use terrorist tactics in the past. Any violent action, the aim of which is chiefly to scare someone, or something, or some country into giving ground, is a terrorist act. Whether it's a justifiable one is a different argument.

 

Invasion of Normandy: June 1944.
Bombing of Dresden: March 1945.

Post by Tom: Epic fail.

 

Ok....So how can you justify atomic force.....but not a simple road bomb?

They both do the same thing. They kill people.

It's just that atomic force wasn't....and hopefully still isn't....available to one of the combatants in this or that 'war' against terrorism.

 

Terrorists ...



freedom fighters







when U pick up a gun ... your range of options narrow !

but if U are to choose that path, schools, public buildings full of civilians and famalies, subways, buses, is not the way to go !

 

your right with the dates H and i should have chosen a better example but the bombing of cities started before the D Day invasion
AA gun deployment stands at any time of the war the Nazis would have loved to switch AA gun production in to Field & AT gun production

in the later days of the war many make the claim that the raids were un justified but what if one of the thousands of Germans killed was the one that would (if he had survived) have killed your grand father

you would not have been born?

 

Well informative one thanks