It wasn't sarcasm, I could care less for Canada, bunch of twits piggybacking on the U.S.

 

That was real classy and unnecessary. The last nation that deserves a slagging from the likes of you is Canada and I have never gone out of my way to antagonize you.

I am fully capable of doing this dance with you but I'm putting you on my ignore list instead.

 

Right on!

 

I am classy you little canadian pervert, the left on this site has NO CLASS. Did you hear me?, good. Fucking trash!, all of you. Dkr

 

what!!! ME TOO?

 

I wouldn't support it either if I had a choice. My bills:

$482,000 for 8 days 2004
$84,000 for 8 hours this year

That is just the hospital bills, the doctors and anesthesiologists are extra, in 2004 $6000, in 2008, $4000

 

No not all of you Libs are trash, some are actually very nice, just the ones with their noses so high up in the air they can't smell their own ****! Let's all make a list of the people that make or break this site! mmm, We are all responsible for our own health care or others that we are responsible for, no handouts, pleaz. Lainey, why are your hospital bills so high? If I may ask for the benefit of ME.

 

THLC, the points you have made are valid.

Perhaps the most vivid of them is: why hand the keys to our health care system to proven incompetents?

We really need to fix the core problems of lobbists, corporate side deals and political "nepotism", before we expand our government funded programs.

 

I'm not THLC but perhaps you would like to point out how our SS and education systems are succeeding.

Personally I have grave reservations about the forcasts that I have seen regarding SS. And even you decry our education system as being run with the wrong ideals. Most teachers/educators that I know complain bitterly about the lack of administrative support that they receive, not to mention the bake sales to buy classroom supplies.

 

Because of the inflated price of hospital services, and they overbilled medicare $5757 dollars for new electrodes for my pacemaker that were not received. Medicare has ignored my appeal, they don't care For 2004 I actually paid $1200 of it, in 2006 I paid another 1000 when I went in with pneumonia from godknowswhere. For 2008 I paid $15 per year to waive the $1024 copay this year. $20 for a kleenex box is typical..

 

The one problem I see is that in the US, nobody wants to truly help others with this growing problem unless they can profit from it. There really does need to be a "universal health care system", but the money collected for it needs to be equally dispersed into it. A non-profit system.

Things that also need to be taken into account are initial funding to group and resolve problems of existing medical care into one system (staffing, computer systems, initial funding, accounting information, law suits, etc.)

As for the abuse of the system by the "patients", maybe a penalty for that abuse. Debatable on how to manage this, but maybe there is a fee for visiting the emergency room, waivable if medically determined it truly is a medical emergency (potential loss of life, limb or eyesight). Waiting times will decrease, and needless medical expense will be reduced. Encourage a viable appointment system to get the patient seen within a reasonable amount of time to include necessary followups. Profits should go back into staff education, facility/equipment improvements, and even medical research should such a profit occur. If too much profit is made, reduce the source of income (taxes).

Just my take on it.

 

You are right, we worship the Almighty Dollar, it has replaced other forms. But as America goes, so does the rest of the world. I never have a problem with medical or dental, yes i am young and my medical bills will rise if i get older for sure. But the left in this country is way to extreme with their programs and radical give, give, give. Here's an idea, get a job and go work for a change, uh, who me? than maybe you would not have to worry about your medical bills? We are out of control. In four years I hope citizens will come back to their senses and vote their conscious instead of their cult of personality. Dkr...Obama might be the biggest supporter of abortion we have ever had as a President. Obama, Pelosi and Reed are definitely an unholy alliance.

 

IMO, the basic problem with universal healthcare proposals in the US is not that we as a people do not want to help others without profit, but that we don't want to have another bureaucratic nightmare on our hands.

As a people we do come forward oftem and with generousity in helping those in need. As a government we have established that the existing programs are fraught with waste, corruption and misuse.

The cost of healthcare in the US has increased steadily, factors include: indigent healtcare cost absorbtion; liability insurance costs; increased cost of new technologies; expansion of "referrals" (tests, specialized treatment, etc); growth of private hospital groups; exhorbinant fees for treatment (profiteering).

Any universal system would need to examine the current system and either accept it, alter it or scrap it. The first or second choices would be unthinkable, IMO, altering or adapting the existing system would be the most doable.

Initial use of the insurance programs to administer the program would also seem the most doable, the oversight and general management would be the difficult part.

 

In 1970 private hospital room $125/day
In 2008 private hospital room $1000/day

 

I understand Lainie, but hoping instead of doing is pointless. Americans have gotten lazy, we expect everything because we are Americans. Ask yourself what made America great to begin with and then look at Obama? Enough Said. Dkr

 

This is from a report on healthcare and the 2008 election, while the source will be flamed by many in here, I think the report is well presented.

http://www.kff.org/insurance/h08_7828.cfm

KEY FACTS ON HEALTH CARE COSTS

 

I was so sure she said she lived in Florida! Who woulda thought, a Canadian no less!:excited::excited::excited::excited:

Canadian Food Inspection Agency confirms case of mad cow disease in B.C.

1 hour, 17 minutes ago

By The Canadian Press
VANCOUVER, B.C. - The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has confirmed the country's 15th case of mad cow disease in an animal from B.C.
The agency says no part of the seven-year-old cow's carcass entered the human food or animal feed systems.
An investigation into the cause of the disease is underway at the animal's birth farm.
The agency is tracing the animal's herdmates at the time of birth and examining possible sources of infection.
The agency says the age and location of the BSE-infected animal are consistent with previous cases detected in Canada through a national surveillance program.
In 1997, Canada banned the use of animal products in food for cattle because the products are considered the source of mad cow infections, but the agency says some cases pre-dating the new rules will continue to surface.

 

:excited:

 

Just how dumb do you want to be Deidre you phony boney assed little snake. What's the topic of this thread? What were we talking about? If you need instructions go read my post again where I said yes I wanted to debate you. We both know you are not capable of doing it you consistent fool.

Here's the deal. Most people including you base opposition to universal health care on misconceptions that the federal government can't do anything right when that is actually not true. Social Security is a perfect example. The program itself actually runs quite well, with reciepents recieving their checks without fail, with additions and subtractions constantly being made to refine the program. Its run for 70 years and is projected to run another 70 years without any financial difficulty. The problem with security is not the way its managed but the way the accounts are raided. So if we really want to compare the way the Social security program is RUN it would indicate that the federal government could do a good job of administering a universal health care program.

As far as education goes it is another example of something that actually works pretty good dispite it being subjected to political manipulation such as George Bush's No Child Left Behind act. The real problem is not how it is operated at the federal level. The real problem is what emphasis and recources the STATES put behind it.

Now I agree that we need to do something about having the best politicians money can buy but that is a totally different issue from universal health care.

Yeah right Deidre, this is real class on the hoof you ignorant ox.

More senseless babble from the foam at the mouth idiot. Time to kiss ass again is it Deidre?

Who are the real proven incompetents at this point. Our federal government which has managed to survive for more than 200 years or the private free enterprise sector who has to keep turning to our federal government to fail them out after they fucked up AGAIN?

Our government obviously operates more efficently than the private sector and the proof is right before your eyes.

That's pretty easy tenguy. Everyone eligible for social security gets their checks and services on time and without any real problems. Our schools are not failing by any grade you want to put on them. More than 70% of highschool students graduate. ACT scores does not mean people are not able to read, write, do math and function in society. They can and they can because of our public education system which has been functioning almost as long as your federal government has.

My objection and concern (and you damn well know it) is that we don't put enough resources into our education system, it suffers far to much political influence, we as a nation don't really value education, and the states care even less about it.

All that means is there are lots of ways we can IMPROVE our public education system, not that it is a total failure because the federal government is involved.

The same federal government I might add that created and over sees the most powerful military on earth, the most advanced space program, and regulates things like nuclear weapons and power plants.

But to hear you talk the federal government can't do anything right but the private sector can when the proof in our daily headlines is quite the opposite.

 

Fuck You Stumbler. You are a piece of shit. I DEFENDED YOU. BONETURK WAS RIGHT YOU LITTLE TOAD. FUCKIN JERKOFF, how is that do you want more?