And the politicians you seem to admire have been trying to get us back to 1900 for several years now. The reforms that have taken place since then were enacted over their dead bodies.

 

Please don't tell me you're a product of the public school system. If you are, you might be a perfect living example of government failure.

 

Am totally amazed that you would think for a millisecond that ANYTHING you offer this person, in the any way of discussion or debate would do anything but fall on deaf ears, this person short sightedness and singular mind is blatantly obvious.I have yet to see this person add anything whatsoever in any way to the discussions in this forum,nor have they taken anything as in learning which any normal person would do in the adult exchange with others.

If you ask me this thread has the stuff of what forums are about "the intelligent exchange of information" now simple because this person is posting in it they have more or less steered the course of this thread in the manner that only serves their mindless two or three sentences of rant that others react to.

Someone said something to the effect that tenguy would not be wanted/welcomed in this thread...I'll take ten tenguy's as compared to this troll. While few may agree openly with tenguy, his ability to debate and discuss (no,he's not perfect) far out weights this person.

\ RANT OVER !

 

The incoming administration is going to send this country so far left that America will cease to be America anymore. That is until we get someone in the White House who believes in God, this country, the people and doesn't believe in killing babies. Obama is a disgrace but he is our President for better or worse. We will see how much changes and how much of his kind of change we really need. He is rather pathetic for a President but you all will get exactly what you deserve and he promised...nothing. His election was the biggest knee jerk vote I have ever heard of or witnessed. Change we need?....not. Dkr

 

Thank You Dpm, how old are you? you could not debate a brick. The brick would win.

 

.....obviously you aren't in keeping with the philosophy, but did you at least think it had some redeeming literary merit?

 

Capitalism is the worst economic system ever conceived by man...except for all the others.

Nothing humans create will ever be perpetual. Countries collapse, systems fail, order turns to ruin. Always.

 

So they have taken great pains to repeatedly tell us.

 

And here I thought part of being in America was being able to hold different opinions


Since you seem to know so much about what being an American is, please enlighten me.

 

I think she writes very well, actually. And I'll go even further and say that she articulates her point of view very skillfully. It's just that I find her philosophy repugnant.

 

I would agree that debating with tenguy is a far more productive use of time.

But he's still a poopyhead.

 

You miss my point Dpm. I don't write it so Deidre can read it. I write so everyone else can read it.

You can be so cute sometimes. Well all the time actually but poopyhead just tickled me.

Ok so lets look at where we are here.

I want to go back to something Trumpet said in the OP about Black Gold. I naturally thought he was going to talk about oil and was going to jump all over it. But he threw me off with black gold being coffee.

But its a great example. Here's something so common we hardly if ever think of the geopolitical things that go into how coffee gets here. However, it is a perfect example of how there really is no such thing as free market capitalism. Its manipulated market greed.

 

Debating you 2 is like talking to a five year old who has wet his or her pants.

 

You wouldn't know Deidre. You've never debated any of these issues because you can't. Simple things for simple minds is about your limit. Now go play on the game threads where you belong.

 

Please Stumbler, can you shut that ass you call your face. You and Kimiko get my vote for the most overinflated know it alls on this site. Do you need a bib Stumbler? again you have shit running down your mouth. You are the second biggest jerkoff on this forum. I will give top prize to Dpm. What do you three offer this forum but your bloated stupid opinions? Please tell me, i would love to know?

 

Do you have problem with my opinion? I never said you had to agree with me, did I? mmm. Yes I am an American, what would you like to know?

 

I think we offer facts, insights, sources, education and experience. I think we offer valid opinions backed up by all of the above. I think we offer a wide range of perspectives and can discuss things in a civil manner. I think we offer a sense of humor and a little sexiness (or in Kimiko's case a lot of sexiness). I think we offer maturity and objectivity and a willingness to let others express their opinions as a willingness to challenge them. I think we offer quite a lot actually and besides people like us even if they don't agree with us.

Now Deidre what do you offer this forum?

Deidre you have never actually offered any opinions. At least none you can back with any validity.

But here's your chance. Why don't you tell us what an American is? You seem to consider yourself some kind of expert on what is and is not American so I join Resident of Maryland in asking for your enlightenment.

 

Please Stumbler, you offer all that! Wow. Just what I expected, a bloated version of your ego. Face it, you cannot accept views unlike your own and when someone does post a view you dislike, they are a troll. Where does all this political debating get us anyway? Do you really think you will change my opinion or vice versa on any subject because of your so called facts which are nothing more than your opinion. Did I say I was an expert? Where? I said Obama is a jerk and you don't like anyone saying anything bad about your fantasy fuck. You always put words into others mouths or twist their post to suit your needs. An American is someone who believes in freedom of body, spirit and mind. I value all opinions on this forum but when I express mine, whoa hold on. Stumbler, you are so full of shit. I offer this forum porn which most members do. Have you ever posted anything other than your political dogma or propaganda? Please show me? Dkr.....you offer valid opinions? hardly

 

more thoughts on socialism:

A dictatorship is an unacceptable government for a socialist economy. Democratic socialism is a popular ideal, but it has never been achieved. The fact that it has been popular for over a century, but exists nowhere suggests to me that it cannot exist. Under democratic socialism, a democratically elected government would own the major industries and run them in ways to promote an approximation to income equality.

Social Democracy does exist in various forms and to various extents in the British Commonwealth and in Western Europe. In Social Democracy the major industries are privately owned, but they are heavily regulated and taxed, and there is a well financed public sector of the economy paid for by steeply progressive taxation. This public sector includes universal health coverage, a more adequate public transportation system than exists in the United States, and better performing public schools.

The people of Western Europe enjoy more leisure than the people of the United States, better health, less poverty, and consequently less crime despite more lenient criminal justice systems. The economy of the United States is losing ground on the economy of the European Union. This can be seen in the fact that the U.S. dollar is losing value relative to the EURO.

 

But I thought Americans believed in God and were anti-abortion? At least, that's what you were saying earlier. That certainly isn't "freedom of body, spirit, and mind."