didnt they make a video game out of hitler winning the war? pretty sure they did. i forgot the name though

ummm i lqtm at the comment about 2 months of McCain and the rest with palin

 

I don't have the orgasmic elation over this speach as some others do. Words are words but the proof is in the pudding. We'll all see the results as the months go by.

I honestly hope he suceeds for all our sakes.

 

YES WE CAN!

 

I think his speech was masterful, but I do wonder if he's bitten off a bit more than he can chew.

 

:excited: ? :excited:

 

That depends on what you mean by "America." After the end of the first McCain term the rich would be better off. Everyone else would be much worse off. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would still be going on. There might be a war against Iran.

If Sarah Palin became president, even the rich might be worse off.

 

There are a few things I disagree with here Orion. One is the wind turbines, solar panels, broad band access, and several technological or energy related initiatives are not only permanent jobs but also represent a new direction for our economy to take. It puts jobs here instead of outsourcing them to other countries.

Now you have a point with the infrastructure jobs, they are rather short term but the important thing here is that repairing our infrastructure and moving to news ways of mass transit have long term benefits.

I would also point out that one of the initiatives Hitler undertook was to build the Auto Baun. (I hope I'm not wrong and please correct me if I am).

That has actually been the envy of much of Europe and the US and remains so to this day.

You, me and Paul Krugman are in agreement on that point.

I agree but also think so far Obama has handled himself and his administration brilliantly. Yes, now is the time for a message of hope. But prior to this was the time to say let's not get our hopes up to high or expect one man to be able to work miracles. We've got a really tough situation here and to be honest its going to get worse before it gets better so be prepared for that.

STOP IT FLUFFY!!!! YOU'RE SCARING ME

He has said so himself in so many words. He's forwarned us that there will be failures, but the important thing is to learn from them and just keep working on the solutions that will work.

 

I just found this article about Jindal, the new spokesman for the Republicans...Even the conservatives are finding fault with his rebuttal...If you're interested in politics this article is very good...

Republicans, Democrats criticize Jindal's speech
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer Beth Fouhy, Associated Press Writer – Wed Feb 25, 9:14 pm ET
AP – In this image made from video, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal delivers from Baton Rouge, La.


NEW YORK – Insane. Childish. Disaster. And those were some of the kinder comments from political pundits about Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and his response to President Barack Obama's speech to Congress on Tuesday night. Jindal, 37, a Rhodes scholar and son of Indian immigrants, is considered a rising star in Republican ranks and a likely 2012 presidential candidate.
GOP leaders, looking for a fresh face for the party's image, tapped Jindal earlier this month for the high-profile task of rebutting Obama's first address to a joint session of Congress.

But in both style and substance, Jindal's speech has drawn flak from Republicans and Democrats alike.
His criticism of government spending for emergency economic relief has been widely panned, especially given his state's receipt of billions in federal assistance after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. And Jindal's voice and earnest, awkward delivery have drawn comparisons to Kenneth Parcell, the geeky page on the NBC comedy "30 Rock."

Indeed, a new Facebook group titled "Bobby Jindal is Kenneth the Page" had already attracted more than 1,800 members Wednesday afternoon.
Republicans had high hopes for Jindal after his appearance Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," where he delivered a forceful, concise critique of Obama's $787 billion stimulus plan and explained his decision to reject some of the money allotted for his state. He also impressed observers when he spoke to reporters after a meeting with Obama and other governors at the White House Monday.

Jindal spoke from the governor's mansion in Baton Rouge, and critics pounced on his remarks almost immediately, panning everything from his overly folksy demeanor to his complaint that Obama's plan to revive the economy was "irresponsible."

David Brooks, a conservative New York Times columnist who has criticized aspects of the stimulus plan, nonetheless called Jindal's arguments "insane" and tone-deaf given the dire economic challenges the country faces.
"To come up in this moment in history with a stale, 'Government is the problem, you can't trust the federal government' is just a disaster for the Republican Party," Brooks said on PBS' "The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." "It's not where the country is, it's not where the future of the country is."
Fox News commentator Juan Williams focused on Jindal's delivery.

"It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was singsongy," Williams said, adding that the content of the speech was "very simplistic and almost childish."
Penni Pier, a political communication specialist at Iowa's Wartburg College, said Jindal's presentation was overly colloquial and his message of less government and more tax cuts was substantively thin.

"It sounded like the same old rhetoric — we had tax cuts the last eight years, and look where it got us," Pier said. "Jindal was also trying to be so familiar, he lost credibility. Obama is familiar, but at the same time always a statesman."
To be sure, Jindal had a tough act to follow in Obama, a naturally gifted orator whose argument for vast federal intervention to stem the nation's economic crisis was widely praised. A CNN poll taken after his speech found 92 percent of viewers had a positive reaction to it.
Rush Limbaugh, arguably the nation's most prominent conservative voice, defended Jindal on his radio show Wednesday while acknowledging that "stylistically," Obama had outshined Jindal.

"The people on our side are making a real mistake if they go after Bobby Jindal," Limbaugh said. "We cannot shun politicians who speak for our beliefs just because we don't like the way he says it."
Jindal was headed to Disney World Wednesday with his family for a vacation. But his chief of staff, Timmy Teepell, said his boss had prepared carefully for the speech and that his message was strong.
"It's a challenge for anybody to follow Obama. The guy is one of the most gifted speakers of our generation," Teepell said. "Bobby's his own harshest critic. He's always looking for ways to improve."

 

OK I think a reasonable question at this point might be that since a speech is just a bunch of words strung together can they really do anything? And if so how would we go about trying to measure the significance of one?

One way I think we could do that is by taking a look at the opposition and seeing what if anything they do after hearing the speech. So let's look at a few segments of Obama's speech to see if we can find anyone who would logically object, and if we can, see what their reaction is.

Ok so what do some of the Health Care folks think about this?

And then there was this:

So what was their reaction:

And:

Obama also said this during his speech:

Did that cause any reaction?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123561083268377547.html


Yeppers, I think its pretty obvious this was not just another meaningless speech given by some politician.

 

He is very well spoken and seems to be a man of action. He appears to have a good grasp of things. I know he has lots of advisors, but he has a lot of information stored in his memory considering Bush could barely form a sentence.

 

His confidence rating with BOTH Democrats and Republicans also took a big jump up following his speech.

 

Like Clinton, Obama gives "good speech". I will save feelings of inspiration for when I see our corrupted system actually change. Politicians(from both parties) and corporate pirates have been fleecing us for decades. It is good that he doesn't project all gloom and doom and has a message of hope, but personally he could cuss like a studdering sailor and I wouldn't give a damn as long as things improve and fiscal responsibility becomes the mantra for business and government. If not...get ready for the Anarchy Party, they'll soon be climbing through a window near you!

 

The south shall rise again?

 

Never, the Midwest will annihilate the Confederates. :twisted:

As long as you're all too drunk to shoot when the fight starts that is. :roll:

 

*gently smacks you up side the head with some fried chicken*

 

Don't you know those kind of tactics don't work on me? I'll just eat the chicken!

 

I figured as much, but I thought you'd rather a piece of fried chicken hitting you than a cast iron skillet!!! I have one and I'm not afraid to use it!! *makes a mean cake of cornbread*

 

AHHH!! :shock: I'll take the chicken, I'll take the chicken!!!

...

Can I have cornbread now?

 

Funny you should mention that Lookn4awillin1 because while I doubt anyone will be willing to read it because of its subject matter and length here's what Plan B will probably look like if WE (Obama can't do it alone) don't succeed.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_16876.cfm

Don't let the name of the web site fool you. This is no touchy feely analysis.

 

Was a long read, but very interesting and disconcerting at the same time. The FUSA is gonna be it. Just as long as we can secure the food, transportation, shelter, and security while we struggle through our new economic rebirth. How's it go...sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you begin that climb back up. What are you going to name your fiefdom Stumbler?