Are any fellow Brits a bit ashamed this morning that Britain has elected 2 Fascist BNP MEPs? How does that make you feel as a Brit? If you're not a Brit how does that make you view us?

Overall the BNP got 6.5% of the popular vote. You might be thinking that's not much, but if that is reflected across the whole population that means there are nearly 4 million rascists in the UK. Is that the way things really are?

 

I'd say it was pretty much a knee jerk reaction to a floundering Labour government, along with the 'across the board' expenses fiasco.

It's still kind of worrying though.....

This is the bloke Yorkshire voted for

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/Andrew-Brons.php

 

Personally, I don't think that that's the way things really are. Esp. during hard times (like we have now regarding the economy), people are amenable to suggestions.
I don't know what the political program of these parties exactely is, but I think it won't differ that much from German Fascist parties.
They promise more work, less aliens, less money for the EU or even leaving the EU altogether. And younger people who might not have a job or aren't able to find an apprenticeship place will readily believe that aliens are the cause of all problems. The demands to teach Turkish children in Turkish in German schools or the demand to allow Islamic headscarfs to be worn everywhere influenced negatively as well because people feared that this would mean losing a bit of German identity.

 

I went in to cast my vote fully intending to register a protest vote - but frankly - i could never vote BNP and the rest of the shower seemed like a wasted vote -so voted the same - the number of 4 million racists - is overstated in my opinion - but probably not dramatically so. I think there is a massive degree of ignorance in what the BNP really stands for - i'm willing to bet the average IQ of BNP voters is significantly less than for other parties.

Do i feel ashamed? To a degree - yes - but ultimately if you live in a democracy you live with the consequences of it - better this than National Socialism !

 

Ok I was just listening to a BBC interview just a few minutes ago and the guy (the party leader I think) denied that their party has anything to do with Fascist or neo-Nazi ideology.

Keeping in mind I might not even have the right election but was he telling the truth?

Also where was there a particularly low voter turn out that got a bunch of conservatives elected. Was thay you guys of the EU?

 

i agree totally. i was talking to a couple of friends over msn last night and yeah, a couple admitted to voting bnp for the reasons you stated. we've had (in edinburgh at least anyway) a huge influx of polish people and every second shop has a polish person working there. i'm trying desperately to find a second job and i must admit that however much i disagree totally with everything the bnp stand for, i was tempted, because i need a job so much.

i'm a racial mongrel lol, so i don't really care about my personal scottish identity, but however much i disagree with peoples' choices, i can see why they voted the way they did.

they're not great people, and of course they're not going to openly admit to being racists on national tv, they put themselves forward as being the champion of the white working class. there was a bbc documentary i found interesting that i watched a while ago...

here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77p1ZCKT5KQ other parts are findeable.

if they ever got any real power, i can imagine us having some of the problems from nazi germany, to a lesser degree.

none of the parties really hold any pizazz for younger voters, and some of us are thinking... what are you doing for me? my partner didn't vote and while i despise voter apathy, i can understand why he didn't vote. no one's getting rid of the employment issues, and people are voting for the bnp to get the polish out of britain, and yes i now of one person who voted for the bnp just for that reason. he's not a racist, he's just desperate for a job.

 

Were they elected as vote of protest only or was this a real vote of people who want them to govern us? or is it that voters are tired of things which governments are telling us what we can do. Under labour UK became already a state when we are all the time under scrutiny, told what we can do or eat or drink or smoke as if people can not make their own minds about those simple everyday things. And yes I am against BNP, but I also am against loosing my right to choose what I want to do and how I want to live.

 

yeah, but if the bnp ever got into power properly, things would be a hell of a lot worse. i'm guessing at least half of the people voting bnp was because of the economy right now, as the more traditional parties aren't doing much for the young british working class. but if they ever get into power, and i think the british public has more sense, then i'm emigrating to turkey.

 

makes me think you guys fucked up more than us with Bush.

 

Bush got nearly half the popular vote. These guys have less than one fourteenth, and the only reason that has delivered them two seats is because the Labour vote has splintered, and almost two-thirds of the electorate didn't even bother to turn out. Score one for the dangers of voter apathy. (At which point I have to admit that *I* didn't vote - because of a recent move I'm registered at a different address to where I actually now live, and it was impossible for me to get to the polling booth that day. It's the first vote of any kind that I've missed since I turned 18.)


The BNP have gotten very good at playing the politics game; an awful lot of people don't realise how nasty they really are. If you attended one of their public speeches, or read the documentation, and didn't know the background - you might well be persuaded. Also, the plain fact is that immigration into this country is GOING to have to stop - the country is over-populated. (Forget number of jobs and the economy and all that stuff - this is a small island with too many people on it, plain and simple.)
That's not entirely the fault of immigrants, but nevertheless something is going to have to be done. The constant refusal of the major political parties to even admit there should be a population target, gives the BNP even more credibility.

 

Na, you can't really compare that. :lol:

 

It is almost certainly not reflected across the whole population. Their total number of votes is actually under one million.

When turnout to an election is low, the people who want to vote for extremist parties tend to maintain their level of turnout; it's the floating voters and the mainstream supporters who don't bother, out of disgust, apathy or whatever reason. This means that the same number of votes as usual, gives the extremist parties a higher percentage. At least three other European countries have also returned far-right MEPs, either for the first time, or even more than usual. Regular voters staying home; extremist voters still voting. This is the result.

 

dont even get me started on immigration. we have more here.

 

Thanks Swan this was a really good explanation and kind of a scary one too. As Blupwr said we see these kinds of shifts over here and the US too and what always bothers me is the people they are voting for don't have the right solutions to the problems either but they are either so worried or pissed over the problems that they vote for them anyway out of fear and frustration.

Take a lesson from US we ended up with Ronald Dick Head Reagan and George W. Bush over shit like that and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

But it does bother me a little bit that we in the US have taken a drastic liberal turn and you guys in the UK and the folks in the EU seem to be swinging conservative. Strange that seems to me.

 

Well speaking as not being a Brit, it does not make me think of you badly, because I don´t think we are in any position to point fingers at anybody...
In Germany the most conservative Party, the one that only helps the richest of the richest, gained the most votes over here....They still don´t have the most votes, but the highest difference (is that an understandable sentence?)

I think its bad that people don´t inform enough in todays world, to realise who they are voting for. They just blindly believe the false promises of the Parties, without informing about what they have done so far. It is almost the same as before WW II when the little, but more drastic Parties gained more votes, because the people feared they could not rely on the bigger Parties anymore....I hope something will change and my generation will not make the same mistakes again....

 

I actually disagree there.....I think Nick Griffin is a rank amateur in actual fact.

However....the BNP is a party that is preying on fear.......

There are so many similarities to the rise of pre WW 2 National Socialism in Germany (ie, the rise to power of Hitler) that it almost beggars belief.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Griffin is stupid enough to think he can take over the world.....but it's very clear where he has learnt his political lessons from.

Fortunately, enough people in Britain see right through him.

 

This sounds like a short-term anomaly to me, the product of low turnout, bad times, and disarray in the Labour Party. I find it hard to believe that the BNP would ever come close to being a significant force in British politics. But maybe I'm naive....

 

that's the anti immigration party right? sounds like fascism to me. then again, you Europeans do tend to enjoy a tyrannical fascist government bent on world domination every once in a while.

World War 3 anyone?

 

I wouldn't worry too much if I were you Kimi......

The thought of Nick Griffin.....in power....with his finger on a nuclear button...... would deter most right minded people from voting him in.

Us Brits are not that disgruntled yet....and will never become so!! :excited:
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that is not true