That is exactly the problem....

 

I wouldn't like it one bit...Hopefully, it's just because of everything that's happening right now...I don't believe the British people would ever put a party like that into power...You have all fought long and hard for your freedom...

Hi there, Trumpy, how's my favorite Brit???

 

The news isn't all bad!


Free-web Pirate Party captures seat

2 hours, 45 minutes ago

By Veronica Ek
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden's Pirate Party, striking a chord with voters who want more free content on the Internet, won a seat in the European Parliament, early results showed Sunday.
The Pirate Party captured 7.1 percent of votes in Sweden in the Europe-wide ballot, enough to give it a single seat. The party wants to deregulate copyright, abolish the patent system and reduce surveillance on the Internet.
"This is fantastic!" Christian Engstrom, the party's top candidate, told Reuters. "This shows that there are a lot of people who think that personal integrity is important and that it matters that we deal with the Internet and the new information society in the right way."
Previously an obscure group of single-issue activists, the party enjoyed a jump in popularity after the conviction in April of four men behind The Pirate Bay, one of the world's biggest free file-sharing website.
The case cast a spotlight on the issue of internet file-sharing, a technique used to download movies, music and other content. The defendants have called for a retrial.
Despite the similar names, the party and the website are not linked. The party was founded in 2006 and contested a Swedish general election that year, but received less than one percent of the vote.
Engstrom credited the party's appeal to young voters for its success. "We are very strong among those under 30. They are the ones who understand the new world the best. And they have now signaled they don't like how the big parties deal with these issues."
The Pirate Party will take up one of Sweden's 18 seats in the 785-seat parliament. "We will use all of our strength to defend personal integrity and our civil rights," Engstrom said.
(Reporting by Veronica Ek, writing by Adam Cox)

 

That is so true!! I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing people slam the Poles. Sure, they come over here, and WILL work damn hard for shit wages. But it's the fault of the employer that wages are so shit - NOT the people accepting the jobs.

It's the same everywhere, not just the hotel/catering industry. Employers are looking for increased production at lower costs - and they are allowed to keep wages low, thus making it more difficult for the average Brit to live on a flat wage. But immigrant workers come either singly or in couples (as in, not the whole family), they're not looking to move here permanently. They want to raise money for their child's education, or healthcare or whatever else. And why shouldn't they? Did we Brits not enjoy the pumped up wages of those who worked abroad in latter decades? Are we any better for taking the jobs off the Germans or Poles? Are we shite!

And at least the workers are working and not claiming benefit - they pay taxes back into the country - they buy goods locally, and maybe even services. When they go drinking in the pubs, their money pays the barmaids wages. Get off your BNP soapbox and look at the bigger picture. If you don't like it, go out and work for shit wages, put in as many hours, working as hard as the people you're slamming.

 

I didn't read everyone's comments, sorry.

I voted for the first time seeing as I'm 18 (obviously didn't vote for the BNP seeing as I campagin and demonstrate against them)... anyway, no-one my age voted... People my age don't give a shit about politics, they're all too self absorbed in their own tiny worlds. We need to motivate people my age to vote, then the BNP would never have got in! (Well this is my opinion anyway).

 

was that a comment against me suze? because i personally would really take any sort of job right now, with any hours, any shifts, whatever, minimum wage. i work with kids at the moment, so obviously i haven't got that much of a problem with my image or body odour...

i'd just like to be able to walk into a place, give them my cv, which is quite impressive for my age, get an interview and be able to get any sort of job, be it hotel, catering, nursery, shop... i have just as good a work ethic, if not better, than any pole coming in and getting all the jobs students are able to do.

 

I don't know the exact situation in GB, but here in Germany, aliens often take the sort of job nobody else wants, like cleaning, garbage removal and so on. And they take the job serious and are grateful - even though they don't earn much money with it.
Of course, you can't say that this is the general way, but it often is like that.

 

I worked a few Summer seasons in Spain in the 90's in bars and clubs. I would have, for sure, been taking a job from the locals but I was cheap labour as was most of the work force, which consisted of mainly European sun seekers. That was a fact of life as we were working long, hard hours for shit wages, which the Spanish themselves were not prepared to do. As a result I would never disapprove of those living and seeking employment in the UK...

 

I'm quite sure all the above is true but the sad truth is that many employers are not prepared to take the risk with Uk employees these days. They are a bloody nightmare to get rid of with all the 'rights' being loaded on the employees side...It is my experience that most students are lazy and expect to get paid just for turning up with a bad attitude and giving shit service to customers who are at the end of the day paying alot of money for what we provide...

Now remember I say not all are like that but most are...

 

What does BNP MEP stand for?

 

BNP is British National Party

MEP is Member of the European Parliament

 

i'll agree that many students are. myself, i've kept the same job with just over minimum wage and crap hours for two and a half-ish years, in september it'll be three. the ren't gone up and i can't pay my half, which is why i want a second one to supplement. i would have thought that i was a prime candidate for a new one with the references i've got.

my age is against me.

 

The bnp is just a bunch of chavs in suits. They're blatantly following the principles behind hitlers rise to power and the collapse of the weimer republic, luckily their leader seems somwhat lacking in charisma.
The most annoying thing about it though is the acceptibility of plaid cymru and the snp, why haven't we got an English equivalent?
The success of the tories, ukip, and bnp does suggets a move to the right that the quoted guardian article seems unwilling to acknowledge/ eager to deny. All are anti-eu/ anti immigration to a lesser or greater degree.
The comment somebody made about european politics going right while us politics heads left- idk about on the continent but uk centre right politics is still more left than your democrats so it isnt that easy to compare.

 

Unfortunately, our political parties refuse to discuss BNP policies, merely branding them as evil thugs and ending the debate right there. That's not any sensible way to expose them for what they are. I could refuse to debate with the Liberal Party because "they're evil thugs" end of discussion. I'd be wrong, and my refusal to even discuss their policies would only give credibility to any arguments that "I'm trying to suppress them."

When people take the same line against the BNP, it adds credibility to *their* arguments that mainstream politics is trying to suppress them. Their policies should be openly discussed, exposed as stupid, and ridiculed. Refusing to accept a debate is only helping the very people we don't want to help.

 

I was at the gym awhile ago, and the TV was tuned to Fox News (which I can't abide)...and there was a Brit named Haddon, I think it was, a newly-elected conservative, on one of the talk shows. And he was actually trying to make the case that the BNP is really a far LEFT party, as was the Nazi Party in Germany. That certainly stamps this fellow as an original thinker, but I'm wondering how our British denizens feel about that point of view...

 

the far right and far left have a lot of common ground,
just luck at the similarities of soviet russia and nazi germany

 

Thanks Jule.

 

There's two different lines of right/left policies, as I recall - the social and the economic. I have no idea what (if any) economic policies the BNP may have. On a social scale, they're so far to the right they fell off the end of it.

 

barbaric Swan - I read your post - I cant understand why people think that voting BNP will "get the Poles out" - it won't - we are part of the EU - and like it or not - they and every other full member of the EU citizen can work where they want - IF people really wanted this then they should vote UKIP rather than for a racist bunch of thugs.

The BNP policies are just simply pathetic - if you are "non white" you cannot join them - although why anyone would want to is beyond me. I would suggest your friends who voted BNP are either highly ignorant, racist or stupid.

 

i have to defend my friends here big bird. not everyone's prepared to delve further into a party's motives to decide who they're voting for. i'm talking about very jaded first time voters. hell, my mum was in a similar position eons ago and used her first ever vote on thatcher and the tories. once she realised it was the wrong choice, she then started to care more about politics etc, and i'm hoping the same happens to the three people i know of who voted bnp.

[[[one of those shouldn't have been counted in that because he's into national socialist black metal, see link: http://nsbm.org/faq/ and seems to think he's the new vark vikernes at times. ]]]

i can't agree with them and i tries to change their minds, but they're not stupid or ignorant. one of the three's racist but the others aren't. they just couldn't see any other party doing anything for them.