Ronald Reagan Speaks out against socialised medicine from 1961. I heard this today on the radio and it's awful compelling. The libs will tell you that it's just more Limbaugh rhetoric. You decide. You are the people of this great nation. Do you want the government deciding your future and what they think is best for you!?!?

 

The problem with most of the town hall meetings is those who favor health care reform are being drowned out by those who don't want to see any changes at all. You seem to at least agree that something needs to be done with our health care system and those are the people that need to be heard.

I have to begrudgingly agree that if Obama has traded away the ability to negotiate pharmaceutical prices through a government bulk buying system then he has given up an area that could represent huge savings. I've already said I'm disappointed and surprised by that move.

On the other hand this is a political slug fest the likes of which I'm not sure I've seen since the civil rights act. Obama may have really fucked up, or he may have read a political reality and knew going in he could not get everything he wanted. I am at least holding out hope for that and also hoping congress tackles the problem but you can see how entrenched the vested interests are in congress so I'm not holding my breath for that either.

Malpractice insruance and lawsuits account for about 1% of the over all health care expense and while its easy to point to the lawyers as the bad guys there I think its too easy to forget that actually it would be the consumers that get fucked over that deal.

And its damn strange to me how conservatives who decry any kind of government interference or regulation on the one hand want the government to restrict how much someone can collect on a law suit on the other hand.

You're right, $80 billion isn't much in the over all scope of things but its way more than zero and I think that would probably what we'd come out of this if there was only opposition from all the medical stake holders.

As I said earlier this deal could have been just a massive fuck up. But I wait until this political football game is over to judge that.

 

For all the yelling, screaming and protesting that seems to be going on at other town hall meetings President Obama is finding it pretty tough to find someone to argue with at his meetings and he would really like to.

Here's the latest story on his meeting in Montana and while he got a couple of harder questions at this meeting it was not the kind of fight he was hoping for. Its a good story though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/14/AR2009081402052.html

 

Randy the welder and Bob the insurance salesman.... I'm waiting for Bob the Builder next.

We had a peaceful town hall run by a local Republican in Wichita, but, that was because mostly republicans attended. I voted for both democrats and republicans in the past election. The particular republican I voted for has been bad-mouthing President Obama's efforts, so, I probably won't vote for this particular Republican again.

He was lucky that Whitey the engineer didn't attend his town hall meeting. I am known to ask tough questions even when they are not politically correct. I once publicly gave a Republican Senator a hard time about Kansas' backwards policy against net-metering. I am not a heckler, however.

 

This is classic right-wing behavior -- when someone inside the tent goes native on them and starts telling the truth, they attack him or her viciously, without mercy.

 

And I'll tell you for someone as mild mannered as Wendell Potter appears in my vernacular he's stomping a mud hole in their asses. He did two of the most damaging things possible and something rarely seen.

First he exposed the insurance company tactics, but more importantly he accurately predicted in advance what their moves would be, and now that those exact things are happening he can point to them and decode them. He's putting a hurt on them and they know it. I sure wish he'd get some air time on the major networks.

 

Regardless of which side you're on....

this is a very good political analysis on why we're where we are on this legislation:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/0815200...ists/why_the_public_isnt_buying_it_184604.htm

 

Boy, what I'm doing is impeaching your source, something you do out-off-hand and continuously. Talk about somebody who can't take it.

 

Don't blame us because you guys picked an idiot for a spokesman.

 

With the term "us" it seem to say your not impartial and you have a predetermend mindset MMmm
Yea I suppose -

A Monroeville, PA-based medical supply company has filed suit against a handful of the industry's largest players, contending that the bigger players made kickback payments to local doctors to encourage use of their products. The suit, by Intermedics-McCullough, names Zimmer Inc. and Zimmer Holdings Inc., DuPuy Orthopedics, Biomet Inc., Smith and Nephew Inc., Stryker Orthopedics and Stryker Inc. The suit also names more than two dozen Pittsburgh-area physicians, along with a listing of payments the big device firms supposedly made to them. According to the Intermedics suit, the physicians received payments ranging from less than $100 to more than $8 million.​

Intermedics-McCullough, which sold replacement hip joints, knee and shoulder implants and other orthopedic and surgical products, was an independent contractor for Sulzer-Medica Inc., which sold exclusively for the firm in western Pennsylvania and West Virginia. However, Intermedics asserts that between 1988 and 2007, the defendants crowded it out of the market with inferior and more-costly products by paying kickbacks.​

The Intermedics suit follows on a federal investigation of the six companies named, which are estimated to account for 95 percent of the hip and knee surgical implant market. A criminal complaint in the New Jersey-based investigation held that the firms set up consulting agreements with orthopedics surgeons as a means of inducing them to specify the companies' products. The companies (other than Stryker Orthopedics, which cooperated with authorities) reached agreements late last year with the U.S. attorneys' office to avoid criminal prosecution. They agreed to pay $311 million in fines, as well having their payments to providers monitored.​

Read more: http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/suit-says-kickbacks-paid-pa-doctors/2008-08-14?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=healthcare_shoulder+implants&cmp-id=OTC-RSS-FH0#ixzz0OGRSTfRX​

Who else might be getting kick backs....
Do you think that if the Govt. progarms might have a little more accountability, and some people my lose a nice "bonus"?

 

While we're at it, let's revisit the vaunted British NHS:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...ering-health-service---thats-truth-hurts.html

 

Orpheus you are so right, the liberals want to SHOW and TELL you how it's going to be according to them. the term freedom has many interpretations i guess.

 

I am neither supporting the right or left side.

I do think there needs to be a better solution to our health care problem.

Why does everything have to be right wing or left wing?

 

Okay, if Dailykos is good, so is Rasmussen. The last time I posted a link to a Rasmussen poll, it was rejected out of hand as being from a right wing polling source. Nobody looked at their questions or methods, it was just simply rejected as unreliable based on its source. Here's today's Rasmussen poll, and any offhand comments about its reliability will be an obvious expression of your hypocrisy.

Report: Most would favor doing nothing to enacting the legislation under consideration in congress:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...reform_better_than_passing_congressional_plan

 

twofeathers? good question... i am right handed??? Obama looked like a salesman selling a cure all elixir yesterday didn't he? i was at the store when i saw him on tv. pathetic really

 

The Truth about Ronald Reagan's scare tactics...

What Ronald Reagan was warning the United States against in 1961 was Medicare. Medicare has become one of the most popular government domestic spending programs. With bi partisan support President George W. Bush extended Medicare benefits to cover more prescription drug expenses.

Reagan's scary predictions about what will happen if Medicare passes are preposterous. He said the government would tell people which jobs to take. He said old people would tell their children and grandchildren how wonderful it used to be to live under "freedom." Actually, they tell their children and grandchildren how wonderful it is to know that their medical expenses are taken care of by the government.

 

Ronald Reagan was an American President who had the ability to do the job and simply did, Obama is a politician, i doubt he will ever live up to the responsibilities of that office. there is no comparison... really?

 

If I have to pick a party, being more conservative than liberal, I guess I am a Republican. That being said I agree we do need health care reform. Do I believe a thousand page bill that most congressmen haven't read, much less understand is the solution, no I don't. That being said, the Dems have the Whitehouse and control congress and to put blame on the Republican party if it doesn't pass is horse shit. If Obama and the foot draggers in congress are so right about what this country needs then pass the bill. Pass every agenda you please, but at the end of Obama's reign do not blame anyone but the Dems when things are worse. The Republicans control NOTHING, failure is noboby's fault but those in charge. Hell, the Dems controlled congress the second Bush term, yet Bush gets all the criticism. You have no excuse Mr. Obama if things get worse, you are this country's leader and your cronies can pass every bill they want. Get it done, the ball is in your court.

 

Obama and Bush are easy to blame, it really is ALL of them that need to go. and be replaced with Americans of any origin who actually understand what being in political office means when you have the responsibility of representing Americans. it has become funny but sad. ObamaNation makes no sense to me. peace :rose: