Yeah, in about 500 years.

 

You know full well that if Chelsea Clinton had had an illegitimate child when her father was president, Rush Limbaugh and the boys would have been in full cry.

If President Obama had a daughter with an illegitimate child, Republicans would be yelling about the decline of the family, black social pathology, a bad example for the nation's youth, and on and on.

Sarah Palin is part of a movement that tells the whole country how to live. She doesn't know how to tell her daughter. I also read somewhere that Sarah's son was convicted of an expensive act of school vandalism.

 

I wish more Americans were dependent on peace related work.

 

As stumbler, Kimiko, I, and others have pointed out on many occasions, the U.S. health system is already more expensive than the health systems of countries with universal health systems and better health. Once again, here's the chart:

http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/en/media_13nov2008_fig2_e.html

 

The Democrats were soundly defeated in Virginia and New Jersey the other day DL, Obama spent a lot of time campaigning for both but after the election he brushed it aside, please the thousands of protesters at the capitol shouting "kill the bill" was refreshing and to see so many citizens confronting Obamacare is what they did not want. we will get health reform hopefully just not the 2000 page over reaching democrat version that is a threat to freedom. have the people come to their senses? thank God. and it's the most expensive because it is the best, a rationing of healthcare is all the bill will mean, the government wants to take private insurance out of the equation completely and compel people to buy something many do not need, that is the most un american of views as i can tell, peace.

 

:excited:

 

45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack of health insurance: Harvard study

What you call "freedom" leads to this:

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A study published online today [Thursday] estimates nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.

The new study, "Health Insurance and Mortality in U.S. Adults," appears in today's [Thursday's] online edition of the American Journal of Public Health...

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-09/pfan-4ed091409.php

 

Fallacy: Slippery Slope

If you bothered to read the chart, you would know that it unfavorably compares the American health system with those of democratic governments. Claiming that any move in a socialist direction will inevitably result in the sort of governmental system run by Joseph Stalin is an example of the slippery slope fallacy.

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Also Known as: The Camel's Nose.
Description of Slippery Slope

The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form:

1. Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
2. Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another.
https://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html

 

If you had read my previous comments, you would not ask that. You obviously suffer from poor reading comprehension.

 

By which criterion? The Soviet government offered better resistance to a German invasion than the Czarist government a generation earlier. The Soviet government lifted Russia from semi feudalism to the space age.

That is not really the point, however. Any number of democratic countries have universal health systems that work better than the U.S. system for less money.

 

Communist China out competes us economically, and owns much of our national debt.

 

North Vietnam defeated the most powerful country in the world in a war.

 

It amazes me to see that some people don't mind seeing their tax money thrown out of the window and into the bottomless pockets of the war industry but helping their countrymen to go back on their feet is totally unacceptable.

My country abolished criminal penalties for personal drug possession and drug use is regarded as a public health issue and not a crime.
Drug users have to undergo therapy instead of facing jail.
As a result, drug use between teenagers has dropped (not being a crime makes it lose some of its appeal I guess) and overdose and HIV cases have been reduced steadly.
Many drug users seek help now because they know they will have a helping hand instead of a jail sentence.
Do I approve of it?. Of course I do. For every person that goes back on their feet, a potential wrongdoer gets out of the street making my property and other people's safer.


Give me a state run health care system any time any day.
May Europe never adopt the American system.

 

How many do? What countries do they come from?

 

Cuba and Vietnam have lower unemployment rates than the United States. In Cuba the infant mortality rate is lower.

 

Republicans want the United States to be the best defended slum in the world.

 

Let's hope this bill passes. It's about time!

 

Some would argue that defense work is indeed peace related.

The US aireborne laser projects, when completed, are expected to be able to intercept and destroy a missile.

Even the modern Japanese Government has it's own AWACs, Tanker aircraft , transport aircraft, radar systems, troops, etc. Mainly for the purpose of defense, not offense.

 

Don't you guys ever think up anything original? It's always the same old focus-group-tested talking points! Like the one about the U.S. having "the best health care system in the world!" (spoken loudly and patriotically, in the spirit of "love it or leave it!").

First of all, do you have ANY documentation regarding the number of people who do this?

Secondly, what are the health care services these people are seeking in the U.S.? Are they services their insurance won't pay for because their elective or cosmetic or experimental?

Thirdly, what are the income levels of those who seek treatment in the U.S.?

And lastly, for comparison purposes, do you have any idea how many Americans seek health care in foreign countries (India and China, for example) because it's cheaper and better?

Until you can provide answers to these questions, your anecdotal, unsubstantiated claims have no validity whatsoever.