I hope it works. I hope it is flexible enough to be improved upon. Since Medicare was passed in 1965 the federal government has lost prestige. This can change that for the better, or make things worse. The Republicans, of course, hope that it is an expensive flop.

 

He would not have been able to find it. In order to find stuff on the Internet one needs to know how to look, and where to look. Some people think the Internet is a substitute for knowledge. If you are not well informed to begin with, finding something on the Internet is like finding something in a cluttered basement after it has been flooded.

 

That is what Republicans said after the passing of Medicare in 1965. Medicare has become so popular that Republican politicians fearfully refer to it as "the third rail." They know that if they touch it, they will get a powerful shock. Republican true believers are angry at George W. Bush because he extended Medicare. He did because he knew how popular it is.

 

You are on the right way to become the United Socialist States of America.
Be afraid, be very afraid. :excited:

 

I'm shaking in my bed room slippers.

 

I'm relieved the health bill that the Wall St Journal called the stupidest bill ever has finally passed the House.

When (and if) it passes the Senate, we can go ahead and challenge the federal gov'ts authority to insist we all carry health insurance. I will certainly be dropping my health insurance once this bill takes effect, in hopes i will get fined and can challenge it in court. Hell, if i get sick, an insurance company will have to cover me regardless.:excited:

 

There are existing laws that say noone can be turned away from necessary medical care based on their ability to pay.

If this is not something you already know, you don't belong in the conversation at all.

If this is something you already know, why lie?

 

Give me a break, I'm thrilled!!! It's about time...:excited:

 

This would be really interesting to watch and whether its you or not I'm sure someone is going to challenge any require to buy insurance and they may even have a case.

No there isn't. Now that's ridiculous. There are no such laws. There are some regulations that say if a hospital is receiving any kind of federal funding they cannot turn people away on their ability to pay.

So first if they are privately funded they turn people away all the time and send them to public hospitals. Some of them have been known not to make it. Its also very common for patients to get shuffled from hospital to hospital if they are not insured and the hospital fears it might not get paid.

I don't think believing just what you've been told counts for knowing something.

Good question and since you can't or won't let me answer that one for you. Why lie? Well because you don't know you're doing it. That's what brainwashing is all about. Its designed to make you think things you've never even thought about.

 

I see that just one Republican voted for it.

He's a brave chap!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8349267.stm

 

They'll not only have a case, they'll have lots of cases. Consider the fact that the bill gives the feds access to everyone's private health records AND financial records in addition to info from your employer, doctor and hosptal. Within days of the application of this bill, someone will sue the feds for illegal search and seizures for which the Fourth Admendment gives us protection. This will have its day in court and drastically hinder the process of implimenting this bill. I have no opinion on whether this claim has any basis in law, I leave that to constitutional experts.

When I have tons of time to waste (contributing to this forum) I will post five other areas besides the infringements on our 4th admendment which include Due Process, State's Rights, and the Federal Tax code which will be challenged in court shortly after this bill becomes law.

When the State, Federal and Supreme Courts are done with this bill (around the year 2016 approx) it will make the fiasco in congress look like simplicity itself.

Too many attorneys dream of arguing before the Supreme Court. I know three such creatures. This bill will give many of them an opportunity to realize their dream. I wouldn't want to encourage anyone that this bill will be helpful to anyone anytime soon.

I am not sure why Congress and the White House didn't actually try to attack the problems plaguing our health care system instead of creating this mess of a bill. It probably has something to do with getting re-elected and having no real concern for us in any case.

 

Yeah, I think he can probably expect a primary challenge. These people really like to eat their own.

 

You're problem is not what you don't know. It's what you think you know that ain't so.

 

You Never Learn

The government wont do it right, cant do it right and will cost more, but you stupid liberals don't get it and thats good like in NJ where we threw you out and its coming to the rest of the country next year. just keep your heads buried in the sand listing to CNN ,Huntington post , NY times exit polling of NJ voters saying its about corizne its not about him its about you liberal assholes, union assholes, acorn assholes, lazy assholes that collect government money and don't do shit in life Healthcare is not the issue its you.Roadtoad

 

You never did learn. You are living, breathing evidence of the inadequacy of the public health system. If you graduated from high school, you did not deserve to. My high school English teachers would have kept failing you until you gave up, and dropped out of school.

 

Latest update on this issue. There might be a problem at the Senate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

 

Are you contending that such laws do not exist?

 

Kimiko, you might want to read this.

https://www.emtala.com/faq.htm

It states the following.

The essential provisions of the statute are as follows:
Any patient who "comes to the emergency department" requesting "examination or treatment for a medical condition" must be provided with "an appropriate medical screening examination" to determine if he is suffering from an "emergency medical condition". If he is, then the hospital is obligated to either provide him with treatment until he is stable or to transfer him to another hospital in conformance with the statute's directives.

EMTALA stands for Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act

 

The Senate is a tougher nut to crack. But, I still think this Bill has a chance of passing. Kennedy would be proud!

 

I'm fully aware of it, but thanks. The key lies in phrases like "emergency medical condition", and "until he his stable". The hospital is only obligated to stabilize the patient. And that's only if it's a "participating hospital" (i.e. one that receives federal assistance to treat these patients).

Once patients are stabilized, the hospital can transfer them to another hospital, if someone agrees to take them, but quite often they simply dump them on the street. These are people who are very unlikely to go out and hire a lawyer to sue them.

I can't imagine why anyone would think that this is an adequate solution to the problem of indigent care. Aside from the dumping problem, these people are receiving only minimal acute emergency care. They get no long-term help, no preventative care, no long-term prescription drugs...and the costs associated with it are basically being born by everyone else, through higher hospital costs.

I would venture to say, by the way, that conservatives of all stripes were opposed to even this, and would dismantle it in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it.