There it is again....just get out of the way of capitalism, and everything will be all right.

 

Yep, now you got it. See ya.

 

Capitalism works here despite the meddling of socialists????

Now that's a laugh. What kind of socialist meddling are you referring to? The CEO socialists that ran to the government to get bailed out for trillions of dollars.

Come to think of it you're right tenguy. Those SOCIALISTS ruined capitalism.

 

It's almost unfair to challenge Tenguy's childlike faith in "pure" capitalism. It's akin to telling your children there's no Santa Claus.

Tenguy, your little friends are wrong...there IS a free market.

 

tenguy, how can you argue with such nonsense from idiotic members who believe socialism is a good thing while free markets are the source for all that is evil. Ridiculous but keep up the good fight, personally i find them to be a waste of time and breath.

 

That was so sweet and compassionate of you Kimiko. There is something about child like faith that is worth protecting.

Deidre dear if you find liberals a waste of your time why would you waste so much of it trying to attack liberals? I'll tell you why. Its because you never really know what you're talking about, can't ever remember what you said last, and are every bit as bright and original as Carrie Prejean.

 

Deidre dear if you find liberals a waste of your time why would you waste so much of it trying to attack liberals? I'll tell you why. Its because you never really know what you're talking about, can't ever remember what you said last, and are every bit as bright and original as Carrie Prejean.[/QUOTE]



Dear Stumbler, i find your opinions to be against everything i am for, i find you personally to have the mind of a child who throws a tantrum everytime he can't have his way. I attack your bs and propaganda because you are such an easy target, my conscious will not let lies go unanswered here especially from you or your little friends. shall i continue?

 

Resorting to condescending tone and attitude does not equal being correct. At no time have I advocated "pure" capitalism, that is a fabrication on your part. I have however advocated responsibility in business and in government, something that you appear to be unable to comprehend.

To ignore the signs of creeping socialism in the US is quite foolish, sometimes you are obviously suffering from the "can not see the forest for the trees" syndrome.

If you and the voters of the US want to have socialism, then it will happen. The US will probably survive it, although the liberties that are sacrificed will be sorely missed by everyone, including those who were blind to the erosion.

However, so far the inroads of socialism are reversible, how many more will tip the balance is anyones guess.

 

Define what you mean by liberty. Explain why everyone will miss what you mean by liberty.

 

Freedom of choice, for one. Freedom from usurious taxation, for another. Freedom to self determination, for another.

The list goes on, but the main loss of liberty comes from the Congress acting outside the wishes of the electorate. We are no longer represented by people acting on our behalf, they are acting on their own agenda.

 

Yes you should continue.

How come just a few minutes ago you said you don't waste your time responding to liberals but now you say your conscience (not conscious) will not let you allow lies to go unanswered it? Isn't one of these statements an obvious lie?

 

Fallacy: Slippery Slope

The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form:

1. Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
2. Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another.
https://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html

 

Stumbler, responding to your liberal ideology and socialistic agenda is a waste of time to me. it is. but...when i see you post obvious lies and disinformation how can one stay silent when you have all of these little kids here looking up to a complete moron and swallowing your garbage as truth, that is why i get in your ugly face and tell you how wrong your really are.

 

Oh, ok, then the not responding to liberals because they are a waste of your time is the part you were lying about.

I just wanted to get that cleared up before you go on to your next senseless lie.

 

This may be true in some things but not in government, please show me an entitlement program that has be eliminated or for that matter even reduced. Whenever someone is "given" something from the government, another person has to ante up, reducing his ability to provide for himself and family. Every time government levies a tax on something, you can rest assured that it will not go away.

As far as the "slippery slope" theory, your response ignores the reaction of both the private and public sectors, to the action. When you erode a citizens rights in one cause, it becomes that much easier to erode another. We saw enough of this in the last eight years, the erosion of rights in the name of national security.

 

The Third Rail

The reason entitlement programs do not get eliminated is because they work well, and the voters like them, once they get over all that Republican Halloween scare talk about the evils of socialism, and losing our freedom, and so on.

Republican politicians fearfully refer to Social Security and Medicare as "the third rail." They know that if they touch them they will get a terrible shock.

Republican politicians know that when they give speeches about "limited government," "making the government live within its means," and so on, they will get cheers from the audience. They also know that if they really try to put their rhetoric into effect, they will get their political careers handed to them in bloody paper bags. :excited::excited::excited::excited:

Universal health care works fine in every other affluent democracy. Once it is solidly in place it will work fine here. The third rail will get a little thicker. There will be one more entitlement the voters like, credit to the Democrats, and know the Republicans want to take away. :excited::excited::excited::excited:

 

We can't have progressed TOO far down the road to socialism. A year or two ago, I was more worried that we were on a path toward a police state. I'm hoping THAT is reversible, at least.

 

It won't work, Stumbler....she coats her entire body in chicken fat so as to be able to wriggle out from rhetorical traps like this one.

 

America’s Defining Choice

The New York Times
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF Published: November 11, 2009

President Obama and Congress will soon make defining choices about health care and troops for Afghanistan.

These two choices have something in common — each has a bill of around $100 billion per year...

Meanwhile, lack of health insurance kills about 45,000 Americans a year, according to a Harvard study released in September...

Who are these Americans who die for lack of insurance? Dr. Linda Harris, an ob-gyn in Oregon tells of Sue, a 31-year-old patient of hers. Sue was a single mom who worked hard — sometimes two jobs at once — to ensure that her beloved daughter would enjoy a better life.

Sue’s jobs never provided health insurance, and Sue felt she couldn’t afford to splurge on herself to get gynecological checkups. For more than a dozen years, she never had a Pap smear, although one is recommended annually. Even when Sue began bleeding and suffering abdominal pain, she was reluctant to see a doctor because she didn’t know how she would pay the bills.

Finally, Sue sought help from a hospital emergency room, and then from the low-cost public clinic where Dr. Harris works. Dr. Harris found that Sue had advanced cervical cancer. Three months later, she died. Her daughter was 13...

Cervical cancer has a long preinvasive stage that can be detected with Pap smears, and then effectively treated with relatively minor procedures, Dr. Harris said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/opinion/12kristof.html

 

Did Social Security and Medicare somehow deprive people of "freedom of choice"? Does the Bill of Rights provide for freedom from what you call "usurious taxation" (which is far less than Europeans are generally taxed)?

I wish conservatives were as eager to promote "freedom of choice" when it comes go getting married, or having an abortion, or being able to opt for government-provided health care.