Oh my god

What next public schools? If that happens then communism will spread across the good old USA.

 

As far as the right wing nut cases are concerned, the public schools brainwash their students into becoming Marxists. That is why educated people tend to vote Democrat.

 

Any right winger can tell you that Obama is trying to form a panel of illegal aliens to teach sex education to seven year old kids, and if they resist, they will be thrown into prison.

 

Actually, the illegal aliens will teach sex education to five year old kids. When they become seven, they will be taught that there is no Santa Claus. When they become ten they will be taught that God does not exist. When they become twelve they will be turned into homosexuals. When they reach fourteen they will begin their study of the classics of Marxist Leninism. On their eighteenth birthdays they will be registered as Democrat voters. These things take time.

 

This sounds like somthing from the far right !

In her book, "Going Stupid", Sarah Palin claims that Obama wants to appoint Michael Jackson's Doctor as Surgeon General and the public will be forced to take propofol.

 

My colleagues don't believe me! They think I'm mad!! Me, Mad???? AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!:excited:

 

........And Hot

 

Nice theory...but it turns out that my family would be among the people taxed to provide universal health care. I don't have a problem with that, because I'd like to live in a country where everyone is entitled to some basic level of health care. You don't, apparently.

http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002341/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33975919/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann

 

The problem with universal health care is you need to do it one step at a time, and it can't be done one step at a time. Also, If you have a disease and you need treatment, and someone else has the same thing and needs the same treatment, they will give it to the healthier of the two. I understand the concept of that, but if I have a child that is the sicker of two children, I would have a hard time just sitting by and letting this happen.

 

'Health care equipment, drugs, and services may end up being rationed by the government. In other words, politics, lifestyle of patients, and philosophical differences of those in power, could determine who gets what. ' from www.balancedpolitics.org

 

Sorry I posted again, this just really bothered me. 'Malpractice lawsuit costs, which are already sky-high, could further explode since universal care may expose the government to legal liability, and the possibility to sue someone with deep pockets usually invites more lawsuits.' Will doctors not be held for liability? I would hate to know that my primary physician was doing botch surgeries and i HAD to go to him. I mean someone has to be held responsible right?

 

Do Medical Malpractice Costs Affect the Delivery of Health Care?

The National Bureau of Economic Research
Tuesday, November 17, 2009

In The Effect of Malpractice Liability on the Delivery of Health Care (NBER Working Paper 10709), Katherine Baicker and Amitabh Chandra explore the relationship between the rise in malpractice costs and the delivery of health care along these dimensions...

The authors find no effect of premiums on total Medicare expenditures, suggesting that the costs associated with defensive medicine practices may be small, at least for this age group.

The authors caution that their results may not capture the full effect of rising malpractice premiums if doctors respond to the medical liability situation in states other than their own. Nonetheless, they conclude "the arguments that state tort reforms will avert local physician shortages or lead to greater efficiencies in care are not supported by our findings."

https://www.nber.org/aginghealth/fall04/w10709.html

 

as a nation you have to decide what you will give up to pay for it

tax revenues are finite the people will only pay so much before they vote you out of office

in the UK out health service is better than a lot of people give it credit for but there is always another group or disease that needs ever more expensive treatment

it has cost us the lives of our troops in Afghanistan who are sent to war starved of military equipment (low priority compared to health and education)

the real question is what will go to pay for universal health care

 

Looks promising
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE5AF5OS20091116

 

This is interesting, is it a glimpse of what is to come?

This may shock some, but I have to agree with the underlying premise that we are over medicating, over diagnosing and over using medical procedures, to placate the public and improve the balance sheets of the entire healthcare industry. Perhaps we need to step back and think about the true cost of these excesses, not just direct monetary costs, but the impact on the general health of the patient and the nation's.

Too many prescrition drugs, to many invasive surgeries, too much radiation, etc., can not help but impact the patient negatively.

 

But is that what's really going on here? I'm not sure.

If you had studies that showed that mammograms before the age of 50 exposed women to greater risks (e.g. from radiation) than the rewards associated with early detection of breast cancer, you might have a point. I haven't seen that evidence, though, and in the absence of it, one can't help but wonder if it's just another way of eroding the health care services that the insurers will pay for. I do know one thing, though -- encouraging women to have mammograms prior to age 50 saves lives.

 

Did I mention that this forum needs more people like you?

It seems that the conservative approach to this is to constrain the patient's ability to sue in cases of malpractice, or to limit damage awards. My feeling is that the best approach to this is improved hospital procedures to prevent mistakes from being made. But I think you still have to hold doctors/hospitals legally responsible for errors, and you need methods for identifying incompetent doctors and ending their ability to practice.

 

your health is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY and yours alone, if you have a family then i guess you are responsible for them also, are you working? i hope so. Health is not a right, it never has been nor ever will be, it is absolutely your right to do everything in your power to stay healthy, this notion that collectively we are all responsible for each other's healthcare and well being is ludicrous and the politicians are going to pay at the polls. Americans scoff when Washington tells them what to do. Anyone in America that needs help gets it let's be real can you and please do not expect me to pay for your irresponsibility when it does come to your health. Now the government will force Americans to buy goods and services through fines? ok, thank you.

 

This is why the outrageous punitive damage awards are ridiculous, why not take their license, fine them heavily or suspend their hospital privileges.

The patient who has suffered the consequences of the malpractice should indeed be compensated beyond the costs to repair the damages (if possible). But why should the doctor continue to practice unpunished? Right now his insurance pays off, he keeps on practicing and our medical bills increase.

 

'Punitive damages' a curse that its spreading from the USA to UK and EU. It does nothing other than hike costs. Damages should be just that as determined by civil action. Punishment should be just that as determined by criminal action or regulatory body.

If a dentist or a doctor or a plumber causes me damage, they should pay me fair compensation. If they broke the law or rules governing the profession/trade they should be punished by the law or professional/trade body.

The two things should never be connected, I know from my US business interests that they are and it drives costs to stupid levels.