This is what I said, tenguy, and I am right:

 

No you are not right.

Mainly because you said it and you are almost never right.

 

This sounds like fred devo and his posse of deviants

 

Take it from me, Fred Devo has great health coverage.



He only lacks common cents.


(not a typo)

 

Hey, tenguy, instead of blowing all that right wing hot air in my face, why don't you answer my three simple questions? How many people come to the United States every year for health care? What countries do they come from? How rich are they?

So far you have come up with 688 Canadians from a right wing website that did not substantiate the number, and did not even give a time frame. Was that 688 during one year, two years, or ten years? Also, did the Canadian single payer program pay for their treatment?

You've also come up with an undisclosed number of Mexicans.

That's not impressive tenguy. You can call me "deluded" all you want. You can call me a "socialist" a hundred times. I want numbers in response to my questions, and I want those numbers to be documented. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking about.

 

You are very much deluded.


Sorry, but you are on a porn forum, arguing socialist agenda with nothing short of 100 watt intensity.

You are very, very deluded.

 

I've documented my assertions. You have not. When was I ever wrong?

When I quoted the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, a New York Times obituary of Harry Truman and accounts written by generals Dwight Eisenhower and Douglas MacArthur you said I was quoting "obscure sources."

 

Deluded? How?

I want some numbers and some facts tenguy.

Where are the answers to my three questions? I've been looking myself, but I haven't been able to find them. Because your argument depends on those numbers, it is your responsibility to find them.

 

I think tenguy already surrendered....he just didn't want to be obvious about it, you know, with the white hankie tied to the stick and all.

 

Wrong Kimi, I have not surrendered.

What is happening in here is DL wants to take the country to Communism, you want the to take it a little right of that, I want to drink my Jack and coke and watch a football game.

All while enjoying the fruits of capitalism.

 

tenguy retreated behind a smokescreen of mindless insults and hot air. This is one of those times I wish I had stumbler's propensity for obscene invective.

 

When he does that, you know he's given up the fight, and you won.

 

Once again, I am a social democrat, not a Communist.

tenguy, do I really need to explain the straw man fallacy again? Your cliches might sound impressive to like minded "conservatives" if that's what you want to call yourself. They don't cut it here.

 

Thanks, Darling.

I know I've won, but I still like to hear the cheers from the audience. Sometimes I feel like I'm fighting in my opponent's home town, where the referee and the fight judges are his relatives.

That's why I have to win decisively. I remember what Joe Louis' trainer Jack Blackburn told him, "Because you're black the judges will never give you a decision. Your right fist has to be the judge."

 

Now that they're carrying tenguy out on a stretcher I'm ready for my next opponent. :excited:

I want someone to answer those three simple questions.

 

In your dreams.

You simply refuse to acknowledge that they have been answered, not once but many times.


Typical fucking Communist, can't see the forest for the Borscht.

 

Phantoms In The Snow: Canadians’ Use Of Health Care Services In The United States

Health Affairs, the Policy Journal of the Health Sphere

Throughout the 1990s, opponents of the Canadian system gained considerable political traction in the United States by pointing to Canada’s methods of rationing, its facility shortages, and its waiting lists for certain services. These same opponents also argued that "refugees" of Canada’s single-payer system routinely came across the border seeking necessary medical care not available at home because of either lack of resources or prohibitively long queues.

This paper by Steven Katz and colleagues depicts this popular perception as more myth than reality, as the number of Canadians routinely coming across the border seeking health care appears to be relatively small, indeed infinitesimal when compared with the amount of care provided by their own system. Katz is an associate professor in the Departments of Medicine and Health Policy and Management at the University of Michigan. Karen Cardiff is a research associate at the University of British Columbia’s Centre for Health Services and Policy Research. Also at the University of British Columbia are Morris Barer, professor and director at the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research’s Department of Health Care and Epidemiology, and Robert Evans, professor at the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research’s Department of Economics. Marina Pascali is a Dallas-based health care consultant...

America’s Best Hospitals. Response from these institutions was low (eleven of twenty) and somewhat fragmentary. The numbers of Canadian patients seen in the prior year were generally very low: Six hospitals reported fifteen or fewer elective inpatients or outpatients; four hospitals reported 20–60 patients, and one hospital reported nearly 600 patients (90 percent outpatients and many related to proton beam radiation therapy for cancer).

Results from Canada. Several sources of evidence from Canada reinforce the notion that Canadians seeking care in the United States were relatively rare during the study period. Only 90 of 18,000 respondents to the 1996 Canadian NPHS indicated that they had received health care in the United States during the previous twelve months, and only twenty indicated that they had gone to the United States expressly for the purpose of getting that care...

Why is cross-border care seeking so low? Our results should probably not, on reflection, be surprising. Prices for U.S. health care services are extraordinarily high, compared with those in all other countries...

What about Canadian contracts with U.S. providers? The numbers of true medical refugees—Canadians coming south with their own money to purchase U.S. health care—appear to be handfuls rather than hordes...

Debates over health policy furnish a number of examples of these "zombies"—ideas that, on logic or evidence, are intellectually dead—that can never be laid to rest because they are useful to some powerful interests.23 The phantom hordes of Canadian medical refugees are likely to remain among them.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/19

 

When have you ever answered one of my arguments with facts and logic?

"Typical fucking Communist," is your typical response to arguments you cannot refute.

 

right wing lies

Phantoms in the snow. Despite the evidence presented in our study, the Canadian border-crossing claims will probably persist. The tension between payers and providers is real, inevitable, and permanent, and claims that serve the interests of either party will continue to be independent of the evidentiary base. Debates over health policy furnish a number of examples of these "zombies"—ideas that, on logic or evidence, are intellectually dead—that can never be laid to rest because they are useful to some powerful interests.23 The phantom hordes of Canadian medical refugees are likely to remain among them.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/19

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Right wing lies never die. They don't even fade away.

Anyway, I did your homework for you, tenguy. You won't get an F after all. You will have to write a different essay. If you need help with spelling and grammar, I'm always here for you. :laughing:

 

Except you're also forgetting to include the under-insured.

Based on what?

Do YOU know what insurance is? What does it produce?

P.S. In case you're confused, insurance does not provide healthcare.

Health insurance companies are not hospitals or doctors.

You are aware of the fact that volunteer fire departments are subsidized by taxes, correct? Or did you think they got all of their equipment by donations? They don't.

No, we don't. It isn't affordable for many people. Did you not read the statistics on bankruptcy?

Which of your rights are being violated? Name them.