???? You think that I agree with deficit spending????

Where have you been??

The issuing of bearer promissory notes as the form of currency used in the world, has nothing to do with the idiotic pace at which the US Congress spends money.

There is nothing wrong with the system, but there is plenty wrong with the careless misuse of it.

Recently I read an article which pointed out that in all the wars that the US has engaged in since the Revolutionary war, the cost in today's dollars is $5.9 trillion. However, since 1968 we have spent $15.9 trillion on the "war on poverty", with dismal results. There has been no reduction in the percentage of our population that is in "poverty", however from 1958 to 1968, before the "war" there was a reduction of over 10%.

Why are conservatives leery of liberal policies?

 

Baloney, tenguy. Look at the poverty rates for those under 18, and those over 65. From Wikipedia:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/histpov/hstpov2.html

 

Did you even look at your link???


Between 1960 and 1968 the % of the population in poverty went down from 22.2% to 12.8%. From 1968 to 2006 it went from 12.8% to 12.2%, great results there ain't they?

 

I edited the post to add material.

 

Since the programs were not fully implemented until 1967, your point would be?

 

Yes.....

but that's what the money men call 'managing the economy'.

 

Did you read MY post?

 

Yes, I did read your post.

However, I failed to see how you explained the effect of the close to $20 trillion spent on programs over the past 4 decades, that did nothing to reduce the poverty rate in the US.

Yet alone why we should expand the giveaways.

 

Did you see the part about poverty declining precipitously among the elderly, and those under 18? There were specific programs targeting those population groups.

Furthermore, you failed to account for the fact that many poverty programs were dismantled or rolled back under the Nixon, Reagan and Bush administrations.

 

A major factor in the poverty rate in the United States has been the decline in unionized manufacturing jobs. From the mid 1930's to the mid 1970's those enabled people with double digit IQ's to earn reasonably good incomes with decent benefits. Now those people have to take low wage service industry jobs with no benefits.

 

Try not to be partisan here, okay.

The truth of the matter is that buzz words and slogans do not work to solve real problems. The war on poverty, the war on drugs, the war on terrorism, the war on climate change, all do nothing if there is no reasonable program to actually effect long term change.

We throw money at problems, usually with poor or negative results, why don't we try to actually change by eliminating the problems at the bud.

We give carbon credits to those who can afford not to change their emissions. We send money to pet projects which do little to stimulate the economy. We preach education reform, but keep the nonperforming teachers in their jobs. We expand food stamp and unemployment benefits. but do little or nothing to get the people employed. We spent billions and lose thousands of our young military people, but hesitate to commit to take the fight to those who are our sworn enemies.

This is a spiral that was started in the 40's, with almost no retreating on failed programs, just piling another more costly programs on top of the failed ones.

Health care, education, climate change or poverty reform will not happen until we actually commit to changing the root causes.

 

Allow me to assist you there - you're a worse.

*hands you another Chinese Christmas cracker* Ahem - I believe you're running low on witty material..? Let me help you restock.

*sits outside Pirate's kennel offering jumbo-sized bottle of mouthwash for a bag of chocolicks* Holy bones... I am gonna be rich! :excited:

*yawns a little* So this is it? One of the most ferocious fighters and debaters on the forum, and the best he can come up with are rehashed Christmas cracker jokes, and editing out half my previous message to make himself look better?! Sheesh - this is the biggest lunch bag letdown since the rematch between Clubber Lang Vs Rocky in Rocky 3!

*shaking his head in genuine disappointment* Anyone wanting a refund on this, come and see me. I'll even throw in a consolation chocolick as my way of saying "sorry for the quality of this dogfight".

*leaves, still shaking his fluffy lil head*

Bye for now - Fluffy McNoo.

 

To have a battle of wits you must first establish a battlefield, American solvency, check. Then you must have at least two opponents, not sure on that one. The battle should entail actual witty remarks or bites, since you only use "cutesy" puppy dog nips, I remain untouched.

Now crawl back under your blanket and eat your choc's, I have more important battles to fight. Such as the economy, health care, terrorism and penis size.

 

Morally or monetarily? I'm thinking the money was gone decades ago, and morals followed not too long afterward. We've been living on borrowed time AND money ever since.

 

Real simple... buy gold or some other internationally recognized currency (oil anyone?)

 

The US can never go bankrupt, there is no real money, its all fake, and they print as much as they need.

I am thinking of running for Governor of Nevada and one of the things I want to do is jump start the Nevada economy with having the state issue its own fake money, it should be just as good as the fake us money, and since the feds are not following the constitution and printing money like they are supposed to, having allowed the foreign owned private bank of the federal reserve take over the function albeit illegally.

Then we start a Nevada State Bank and cancel the licenses of all other banks in the state. Only the state will be allowed to loan money for mortgages and they will be fixed rates at 6%. The state will then not need a sales tax any more.

Throw out the greedy bastards that caused the current depression on purpose, and it can't ever happen again.

 

Yes

 

No

 

Do you really care what I think? I think not.

 

Humboldt county up in northern California has its own currency. It makes more sense for a local economy.

But the way I see it: money isn't real, especially our money which isn't even tied to anything of value except its own quantity (see fiat currency). So what the federal reserve does is pump money into the economy, either inflating the currency or deflating it (by use of interest rates). On more than one occasion will the federal reserve threaten government policies that don't mesh well with the banker's interest with inflation. They even recently admitted to having caused or made the great depression worse. So why are they still in business? Because it's a semi-governmental institution. Wait, what? Does that mean it's partly run by people with private business interests? Hold on! That means, that there are people in control of our money with financial interests of their own in mind? H O L Y Shit, does this sound like usury or WHAT?

I am afraid of having to say, that our current system can not work. In a system based on financial value there can be no equality, because money will never be equally distributed and if it is, you might as well have communism. We see the symptoms that the virus capitalism has created; health and education are the privilege of the rich, the government can be bought and the senseless waste of excess resources only to keep a certain level of rarity. People complaining of having to pay more taxes for health care is nonsense, you already pay more for your private insurance and additionally to that, you pay to have a healthy country, not just for yourself.
Out of this rarity can they control us, because I know we could power our cities better, feed more people and educate more people but we don't, because control is easier on a starved, uneducated and fearful populous.

Looking at this country, it seems to me that the federal reserve has created a perfect breeding ground for grunt soldiers. Fanatical in religious belief, loyal through propaganda and truth distortion, uneducated, unhealthy and needy with the only secure employer being the military.

Just imagine what mankind might be capable of if we didn't have to work retarded useless jobs to feed ourselves. Imagine a world where we as a species could dedicate ourselves to the exploration of this rich and fascinating universe. It can't work if we all want to fight against each and compete over the shrinking number of privileged employment opportunities. It can't work if the people who own everything only let what they don't need trickle down to the lower levels of the starved.

The way we're going, we're going to have a bizarre consumer orientated orwellian pseudo-democratic nightmare. Your employer is essentially your feudal lord.

The way I see it, we can either have a 1984 future, or a star trek future.