He argues like he fucks....kind of all over the place.

 

I wasn't plagiarizing it, I just knew only a few people might get the reference. But I also knew you would be one of them. :wink:

-S-

 

Now I need to go download that movie. It's been a long while since I've seen it.

-S-

 

I know, I was just zinging you.

That movie has even more quotable quotes than "The Princess Bride".

 

There is no why. Life is a fairly inevitable consequence of a carbon-rich, water-based planet with an energy input.

 

If I were God, the only reason I'd have for creating the human race is sheer, perverse amusement.

 

And the fact that we have more excellent water slides than anywhere in the galaxy.

-S-

 

"Who is this God person anyway?"

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."

-- Douglas Adams

 

1) Humans reverse entropy. We go against the energy gradient.
2) The 2nd Law of thermodynamics only applies to a closed system. I assume you are referring to the 2nd law...
3) This is totally unrelated to human happiness or any moral issues. The 2nd Law of thermodynamics describes physical systems and certainly doesn't mean that our actions result in more negatives than positives. Would you care to explain this statement, as it seems, to me, to have no basis. If I were going to point a finger at something to blame for things getting worse rather than better, I would say human nature, in particular it's tendency for selfishness and apathy. I still hold hope, however, that the good can win out over the bad, and see nothing which prevents this possibility.

This argument only applies if you accept the purely logical/scientific evidence based viewpoint, which is not necessarily the only valid approach. Religious people in general don't need proof- that's kinda the meaning of having faith. Personally I don't believe in God either, I'm just saying your statement isn't an absolute.
I prefer to point out some of the vast and rather basic illogicalities of God, but we can't disprove his existence... if we lived in a purely scientific world this alone would be enough to disprove Him

 

He stole the majority of that "I believe" part from Bull Durham. Funny because he's always running his fucking mouth about sports and athletes.

Big shocker that he can't be original

 

no. one is not. here are just 5 reasons why not.

5.
The Inquisition


The Medieval Inquisition is a series of Inquisitions (Roman Catholic Church bodies charged with suppressing heresy) from around 1184, including the Episcopal Inquisition (1184-1230s) and later the Papal Inquisition (1230s). It was in response to large popular movements throughout Europe considered apostate or heretical to Christianity, in particular Catharism and Waldensians in southern France and northern Italy. These were the first inquisition movements of many that would follow.
Torture was used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad exstirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors. The Inquisitors were forbidden to use methods that resulted in bloodshed, mutilation or death. One of the more common forms of medieval inquisition torture was known as strappado. The hands were bound behind the back with a rope, and the accused was suspended this way, dislocating the joints painfully in both arms. Weights could be added to the legs dislocating those joints as well.
The organization is still active today under the name of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Prior to becoming Pope Benedict XVI, Cardinal Ratzinger was the head of the congregation.

Just paying the bills...​

4 The Witch Hunts


When Puritans settled in Massachusetts in the 1600s, they created a religious police state where doctrinal deviation could lead to flogging, pillorying, hanging, cutting off ears, or boring through the tongue with a hot iron. Preaching Quaker beliefs was a capital offense. Four stubborn Quakers defied this law and were hanged. In the 1690s fear of witches seized the colony. Twenty alleged witches were killed and 150 others imprisoned.
3 Roman Persecution of Christians


Christians were first, and horribly, targeted for persecution as a group by the emperor Nero in 64 AD. A colossal fire broke out at Rome, and destroyed much of the city. Rumors abounded that Nero himself was responsible. To divert attention from the rumors, Nero ordered that Christians should be rounded up and killed. Some were torn apart by dogs, others burnt alive as human torches. Over the next hundred years or so, Christians were sporadically persecuted. Then in the mid-third century, emperors initiated even more intensive persecutions. This, “The Great Persecution”, is considered the largest. Beginning with a series of four edicts banning Christian practices and ordering the imprisonment of Christian clergy, the persecution intensified until all Christians in the empire were commanded tosacrifice to the gods or face immediate execution. This persecution was to be the last, as Constantine I soon came into power and in 313 legalized Christianity.
2 Aztec Human Sacrifice


The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought human sacrifice to a golden era. About 20,000 people were killed yearly to appease gods — especially the sun god, who needed daily “nourishment” of blood. Hearts of sacrifice victims were cut out, and some bodies were eaten ceremoniously. Other victims were drowned, beheaded, burned or dropped from heights. In a rite to the rain god, shrieking children were killed at several sites so that their tears might induce rain. In a rite to the maize goddess, a virgin danced for 24 hours, then was killed and skinned; her skin was worn by a priest in further dancing. One account says that at King Ahuitzotl’s coronation, 80,000 prisoners were butchered to please the gods.
1 Islamic Jihads


Islamic jihads (holy wars), mandated by the Koran, killed millions over 12 centuries. In early years, Muslim armies spread the faith rapidly: east to India and west to Morocco. Then splintering sects branded other Muslims as infidels and declared jihads against them. The Kharijis battled Sunni rulers. The Azariqis decreed death to all “sinners” and their families. In 1804 a Sudanese holy man, Usman dan Fodio, waged a bloody jihad that broke the religious sway of the Sultan of Gobir. In the 1850s another Sudanese mystic, ‘Umar al-Hajj, led a barbaric jihad to convert pagan African tribes.

 

thank you

 

I'm still curious, though, mate. Why does someone feel more secure and "worthwhile" thinking that they were created by a being they can't know for a purpose they can't know in a plan they can't know. How is that more reassuring than "random chance made atoms behave in ways atoms behave in and a really long sequence of events happened leading to us, and we can deal with that however the fuck we choose"?

Which is more disorienting and isolating? That we are here and can choose what we do with that fact or that we're int he thrall of a being that we don't understand and that won't communicate with us in any consistent way?

And honestly, I don't ask this question in this way to try to cause offence, although I appreciate that some may be offended by it. I ask these questions because, having the point of view that I do, I really would like to understand how others have come to a different viewpoint.

 

Oh no?

Why would sentient beings be a part of it then?

YOU may regard yourself as evolved from pond life.....I don't.

 

I have no idea why people would take any comfort in the notion that someone or something actually dealt this mess. Prove to me that there's a god and I'll REALLY begin to despair.

 

Fortunately, your origins are a matter of fact, not a matter of how you regard yourself.

 

Really?

Wouldn't you be mildly surprised.......or even quite pleased?

 

I really have no clue. Growing up I believed because I was told to believe, not because anyone ever presented a logical case for me to believe. Which is about the only way they can do it (blind indoctrination of impressionable children). Otherwise, if they had to rely on the logic-based approach, no religion would spread beyond a hand full of mindless acolytes.

-S-

 

You're so stupid, Monkey.

-S-

 

No, I'm more intelligent than you could ever hope to be.