I was never able to hate Bush. I never much cared about what was happening at Guantanamo Bay. If the FBI wants a list of the books I check out at local libraries, or the books and magazines I buy at Barnes & Nobel and Borders, and the list is long, I will personally hand deliver a copy to their headquarters in Washington, DC if they pay for my Amtrak tickets.

They can even monitor my use of XNXX.com, (although I would rather they not tell my siblings and nieces about it. )

I was opposed to Bush's economic policies. I was opposed to his handling of the economy, and I was opposed to what he wanted to do with it. He wanted to repeal as much of the reforms of the Progressive Era, the New Deal, and the Great Society as he could get away with.

 

As I said, that is not all of them, those are just a few of the first that came up when I put in search.

 

Okay, well, maybe not tortured. Just put in solitary.

 

And I am constantly on guard for your lack of it.

Nothing Kimiko said has anything to do with being anti-American. She even said: "And I never rooted for the economy to go in the tank. I just noticed that it did, and blamed him for it."

There to me is the massive difference. Conservatives/Republicans would rather help make the problems much worse, and inflicting all the pain and suffering that causes out of nothing more than political spite.

 

Not at all. I didn't want the country to fail. I didn't want the economy to tank. I didn't want to lose any wars. I wanted George Bush held accountable for his actions, which were not in the country's interests.

 

Well by all means continue your search El Casanova. But are you willing to be an honorable man about it and admit that at least so far you have not proven me wrong.

Have you any honor El Casanova?

 

Much better.

So if Bush was impeached, tried and found guilty, would not another president pardon him?

 

You will never understand why!Folks like you never understand anything,but let me mention this to you,and ask you this question at the same time.Whenever have you heard or even seen any leader from any country bought so many people together,and created such a buzz in so many nations?

 

Here you go, admire Kimiko

Those all come from the 6 threads I shared with you. And again, those are only a few of the threads that came up on the search on Bush bashing, there were 3 pages worth of results, and I am not going to go through all of those.

And some of those comment sound very Anti-American

 

All you have to do is read those 6 threads. The same negative and harsh comments made about Obama, were made about Bush. And I am not going to continue to post all of the threads. You said the following statement:

So I just showed enough examples to prove you wrong. That is all I had to do.

 

Winston Churchill, Bitish PM 1940-45

 

Ok so we've established you don't have any personal honor. I knew that but thought it should actually be documented before we proceed.

Of course you can't admit you're blatantaly wrong because obviously if there are more President Obama bashing threads in a month than you can come up with in years there is no other possibility you could be right.

So, admire Kimiko. How redundant is that El Casanova? Of course I admire Kimiko and would bet you'd be lying if you said you don't.

But the closest thing Kimiko says in the things you posted as being un-American is one snide comment, taken completely out of context, that suggests spending money in Mexico to stimulate their economy.

 

Forgive me for intruding, but I have a question that I need answered.

Does not liking what the American President does, and insulting him for his behavior, or lack of behavior, constitute anti-American feelings?

I'd like to make it clear that I love this country, and am trying to find a way to contribute to society.

I did more than my own share of Bush bashing, mainly because he didn't know how to talk, his many public faux pas with the world leaders, etc...

I have noticed that both parties claim the other is anti-American.

During the Bush era when we hated on him, Rebuplicans called us terrorists and anti-American pussies afraid to defend our country.

Now that Obama is in office, the Democrats are calling Republicans anti-American racists, warmongers, etc.

I want to know, exactly how thinking the President, Democrat/Republican, or otherwise, makes someone an anti-American that's wants to see America in ruins.

I try my best to avoid politics because I do not see the science in it. I just see a bunch of adults throwing around schoolyard insults. And it seems both parties make schemes to grow wealthy off others.

That is all.

 

She stated that Bush was not voted into office. That could be compared to people saying Obama is not a citizen.

She responds to oldiegoody's comment about Bush committing suicide to help the economy with only if Bush made a joint suicide pact with Cheney.
I have yet to hear a comment about Obama or Biden should die.

She gives a list of words to describe Bush besides evil, and one of them is fascist. That can be compared to people calling Obama socialist or communist.

She also stated the Congress should have impeached Bush and Cheney. And that can be compared with people wanting to get rid of Obama.

So you cannot say that those comments I just mentioned are not Anti-American. Especially if the same things are said from the Republican side and it is considered Anti-American.

 

When you find out, you let me know.

I am just trying to show that this issue is double sided, and its hypocritical of Democrats going off on Republicans for bashing a Democratic President, when the Democrats were bashing a Republican President. That is all.

 

Yes El Casanova I did say:

And what you did was prove that statement correct because there is a steady stream of threads that bash President Obama, when six threads about President Bush don't constitute a steady stream and no one would try to rationally and logically say it did.

So that's one obvious wrong, but you're now actually trying to run away from two of them.

The other one is you saying Kimiko was being Anti-America because she opposed George Bush. As we've both pointed out now there's a difference between opposing President Bush and actively working and hoping for the country to fail out of political spite.

You've repeatedly proven that with the comments of her's you posted.

Again, any rational and reasonable person will see that clearly.

I must say again there is huge difference between objecting to a President and actively working for and hoping for your country to fail like the conservatives/Republicans are doing, and inflicting all the pain and suffering that causes for nothing more than political spite.[/QUOTE]

 

Yes but aside from threads claiming Obama is not a US citizen, we also have threads he did not deserve the Nobel Prize, that is is lying about the good the stimulus is doing, threads about Obama bowing to the Japanese emperor, threads about President Obama not fulfilling his promises. Threads about President Obama supposedly ruining the country. All most if not all those threads are within the past month not the past two years.

That's a steady stream, instead of the rare occassions you've managed to point out about Bush.

There have been lots of people on this forum who have said they hope President Obama dies or that someon kills him. Deidre especially comes to mind as well as others.

On one of six threads spanning two years El Casanova. People calling President Obama a socialist, a communist, and a Nazi plus a host of other terrible things almost daily around here and have since before he was even elected.

I already granted all of this El Casanova in my statement. The difference is the steady stream and the viciousness of the attacks.

I most certainly can say that because it is the obvious truth and you look ridiculous trying to contend otherwise.

PS And besides El Casanova my actual intent was to demonstrate that you have no personal honor when it comes to these things and can't admit when you are wrong.

 

it would be interesting to see what would happen if we eliminated party lines considering the divide they create in this day and age and just for kicks. Is it really appropriate to judge any president when we are not privy to all the facts? and if we do decide to judge shouldn't we take into account that, while the president does make several yay or nay decisions, the actions of the government function on the decisions of many individuals who do not even consult or bring the action to the presidents attention? It seems like people make the president to be an all knowing god but he is still a man.

Oh and congress is a free for all shitfest were no one gives a damn. Though there are exceptions to that rule and the "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" types do exist and god bless them for trying to actually help the country

 

The nature of politics and politicians, why do we trust these people to run our countries when we wouldn't trust them to baby sit our children.

 

For a few years, absolutely damn all because nobody would ever be able to get a vote passed on anything. Government would grind to an utter halt, no budget would ever be passed, nothing would ever get built or paid for...

...eventually, for the sake of ever being able to do ANYTHING, groups of people who managed to agree broadly on a fair spectrum of policies, would form a party to promote their mutual wishes, and accept that in order to get SOME part of their own personal agenda achieved, they'd have to sacrifice other parts and toe the party line. And we'd end up exactly where we are now, because that's how we got parties in the first place.