First post...ever...so this topic may either be long dead or someone may have already said this.

ANYWAY...I find it funny that an adult can be charged for sleeping with a fifteen year old-but a fifteen year old can be charged as an adult if they do something major. I think America really needs to define how mature 15 is before we can make any legal decisions regarding it.

Personally, I feel the age should be 15. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't get me wrong-if a guy slept with my daughter at 15, I'd break his legs (among other things)-but I don't think it's fair for him to suffer any more than that. :satisfied:

 

yeah it is only dead for a year till you. some laws were changed over the year.
Canada raised it from 14 to 16.

 

I think 16 is a more reasonable age than 14. At 14 you're either just finishing grade school or just entering high school. I think that's too young to be able to make a decision like that.

Every person is different, but I think at 16, a young man or woman should be considered responsible for their own actions.

 

My aunt had a 4 year affair with a girl who was 13 when it started and the girl initiated it with full knowledge.

 

like i said in another thread,age consent laws arent made to cockblock you. Its to protect the child in question. Just wait,until the child or teen is of legal age.. I find it amazing how many guys are willing to risk jail time just for this reason..

 

That's exactly my point, everyone is different.

Hell, I'm sure there's 13 year olds out there that are more mature than their 16 year old counterparts.

Unfortunately, there's no way for the law to work on a case-to-case basis, and a guideline needs to be drawn somewhere for the public in general. I think 16 is a pretty good line to draw in the sand, so to speak.

If a 13 year old is legitimately mature enough to make those types of decisions with full knowledge of the consequences, then have at it.

It would likely be very interesting to hear your Aunts story, though. How something like that started, and such.

 

No. The law for age of consent is different in every single state. And, even if parents "consent" or give their permission, it doesn't matter if either party is under the age of consent. Parents can't give someone permission to break the law - it is still illegal.

I think the graduated age of consent laws a lot of states have is fine. It sets a majority age of consent at which a person can consent to sex with anyone else, regardless of age, and also allows younger people who are close in age to consent even if they are under the majority age of consent. If that makes sense! lol

 

Haha, I wonder how many parents would want to say "Okay, you can now go and fuck and get fucked like a slut, my child"

Anyway, her's a map of age of consents around the world:

 

You have a map for this?!? lol!

Is this how you plan your vacation destinations? haha

I kid, I kid.

 

hahaha... Well first I find which flavors of the world I've yet to try---

Google is my best friend ^__^ and wikipedia ^__^

 

My if the girl is two yrs under 18
(16 for girl and 18 for guy should be fine, 17 for girl and 18-22 for guy should be fine)
Now for a male 10+ So every guy can have the best experience of their lifes xD

 

I find it amazing how many people are willing to remain ignorant about teenage sexuality.

GROWN-UP BODY PARTS DO NOT COME FOR FREE
GROWN-UP BODY PARTS DO NOT COME FOR FREE
GROWN-UP BODY PARTS DO NOT COME FOR FREE

You don't get an adult-sized penis, adult-sized breasts, periods, ejaculate, and pubic hair at 12, and the sexual cravings and desires wait until a magical spell that happens to you on the anniversary of your 18th time around the sun. All of these things come in one big package, at the same time and age. I don't care if you didn't even hold someone's hand until you were 18 -- if you even THOUGHT about it, you did so because there was a desire to think or wonder about it. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or has suffered a severe memory-erasing concussion.

With that said, here's what it has to do with age-of-consent laws. AOC laws are NOT designed to protect children and teenagers -- we already have a law that does that; it's called THE RAPE LAW. AOC laws are designed to lend a hand to lazy and/or ignorant parents of teenagers. It goes like this: A parent has a teenager that is willingly having sex. The parent knows that nothing short of locking the teenager up is going to stop it, so the parent simply goes the opposite way -- punish the partner. It makes no difference whatsoever that the teenager willingly and knowingly consented, the parent has a piece of paper written by a complete stranger that says the teenager just somehow "can't" consent. That's all AOC laws have ever been about. There are parents that know their teenagers might be thinking about having sex, so instead of ***gulp*** TALKING to their teenager about it (you know, PARENT stuff), they just fall back on the piece of paper that says they somehow just "can't".

It's incredibly easy to prove; I'll do it with a quiz: Since the first AOC law was written in this country, how many total days of jail time have "underage" teenagers served for knowingly and willingly breaking this law? The correct answer is ZERO. A 14-year-old and a 19-year-old can both rob a store, and both are going to be doing time. A 14-year-old and a 19-year-old can both murder someone, and both are going to be doing some serious time. A 14-year-old and a 19-year-old can both knowingly and willingly break the Law of Consent, and only the 19-year-old is going to be punished. Why no punishment for the 14-year-old? Because that wasn't the true intent of the AOC; it doesn't "protect" anything. Its true purpose is to punish the partners of the teenagers that parents are too lazy or ignorant to provide guidance to. AOC laws are unneccesary and do nothing but destroy the lives of innocent people.

You know, when I was 20, I was training for the opening of a new restaurant. The regional manager was trying to make a point about identifying a problem and taking care of it. He said "Silence is acceptance." It means that, if you see a problem or a concern, but don't say anything about it, the message you're sending is that it must be OK. Parents with teenagers should heed this advice -- if you don't think that your 14-year-old is ready to have sex, that's great.....TALK TO THEM, IN EXPLICIT DETAIL, AND TELL THEM WHAT YOU THINK. If you remain silent, you can bet their hormones will be doing a lot of talking....

 

So, you're basically saying that's it's fine if say a 45 year old has sex with a consenting 13 year old so long as her parents talked about sex with her?

What I believe Bishop was saying is that they are there to protect those who don't understand necessarily. A 13 year old only acting on emotion is at a hell of a lot higher risk than a 16 year old who actually understands things just a bit more.

A 13 year old will sleep around because society tells them that if you don't have sex before a certain age, you're a prude and lame. The succumb to peer pressure a lot easier than a 16 year old, usually...

 

What I think he is trying to say is that if the parents did their job, she wouldn't want to sleep with a 45yo in the first place.

 

I know he's saying that, but he also says that those sexual cravings don't just magically appear...

I know for a fact that because people at my school were taught about sex and talked to about sex at a young age (first in 4th grade, so about when we were 10 and 11) and again in 7th grade (about 12 or 13), it made us more sexual knowing about it.

If a parent does talk with their kid about sex, then that kid may be fine, but in general, I can not think of one of my friend's parents who talked to their kids about it(they said so when we talked about it after one of those health videos), mine never talked about it. Most parents don't want to talk to their kids about sex because they refuse to believe that their kids would have sex, or need a talk. They think that their child will remain a virgin until they find only one guy or girl, even if they themselves did the same as a kid.

And because of that, the ideas we get in health class are always present and we're told not to do something by people we don't care to listen to (our teachers). And since few parents want to talk about such things, or actually, don't think they need to, a kid is left feeling only sexual desire and is will to have sex with some one even if said person is many years older.

Though, I can't back that with evidence, that's just what it seems in my town...

 

I think you are right, most parents don't want to talk about sex with their kids. It's a rather touchy subject with a 13yo. The health classes really do make a child more curious. I also think parents are way too trusting of young kids. I see these little 12 & 13 year old boys and girls in my neighborhood with way too much free time on their hands. Are the parents on top of watching and knowing what they are doing? No.

They have these sexual desires and it is perfectly normal. It also must be guided. Kids should not have the freedom to come and go as they want without parent intervention. They will get themselves into trouble, especially at a time when their hormones are flared up. If the parents don't intervene and talk to their child about sex and it's consequences, the child can make some really bad decisions. That's where the law kinda helps to keep an older person from manipulating the child's decisions. Thing is, they should not want these 13yo's having sex with anyone of age or not, so therefore don't rely on the law to save them but instead be a parent and KNOW what your kid is doing at all times. Might be deemed an overbearing parent in such a free spirited world but the results will be much better in the end.

 

No, what I'm basically saying is that if a 13-year-old has been thinking about what it feels like, wondering if it's really as great as they've heard, and has decided that they're going to try it, it's utter madness to think that the 13-year-old gives a flying fuck about a piece of legislation written years ago that says they somehow just "can't". They're going to readily give consent to a partner of their choosing because they CAN.

What about the 16-year-olds that act on emotion? What about the 24-year-olds that act on emotion? Higher risk of what, exactly? Successfully having sex? But then again, none of these questions matter, because it misses the real problem, and that is that AOC laws don't protect anyone. The 13-year-old from before has consetual sex with a 19-year-old. They're caught, and the 19-year-old is charged with rape, even though no rape took place. Nothing punitive happens to the 13-year-old, so the only real message the 13-year-old gets is to make sure and choose a slightly younger partner the next time he/she willingly consents to sex. There is no "protection" in there. The true protection comes from the teenager's parents GETTING INVOLVED in their teen's life -- having an open, comfortable dialogue about sex, how to say no if they don't want to, and how to stay safe if they do.

No sir -- A 13-year-old will try sex for the first time MOSTLY because of natural desire and curiosity, mixed with peer pressure. A 13-year-old will sleep around because of a lack of guidance from parents about how to enjoy sex safely and responsibly if they're going to be sexually active.

I can't say it enough -- Silence Is Acceptance. If you don't talk to your teenagers about sex, their hormones will.

 

If a child or teenager, or even an adult is manipulated, tricked, or coerced, it's no longer an "age of consent" issue. That's rape, no matter what the age of the victim, and there is already a law that protects EVERYONE. AOC laws, by contrast, don't protect anyone, and serve only as a roundabout means for punishing a willing, consenting teenager by criminalizing their partner's actions.

 

I wasn't saying that they're the only one's who act on emotion. And I'm saying that a 13 year old is at a higher risk of being told by some random person that it's fine to have sex with someone who's much older, that a 13 year old is more likely to have sex based off of someone basically persuading them to consent.

Don't you remember being 13? All you had to be told was that everyone was doing it, along with some evidence and a little pushing towards you and you'd do it. Those AOC laws are to help further prevent something like that. A 19 year old can easily play with a 13 year old's emotions because that 13 year old, most, but not all mind you, does not know any better.

You're saying above me that changing a person's mind to what they don't want makes it rape, however, how is the person going to prove it's rape? The older person can say that the younger consented, which if the words out of the younger mouth are along the lines of "go ahead" then that's consenting, regardless of the manipulation used.

If both parties are of similar age, then yes it will follow those rules of being curiosity, natural desire and peer pressure. However, if one party is older, the older will use more peer pressure and can make the younger actually believe it's what they truly want and desire.

Again I'll say, if the parents talk to their kids, that's fine and dandy, but most parents don't and that's the plain and simple fact.

I'm sorry but this is a stupid rule of thumb. One word: Rape. You think the rape victim accepts it? No. But they remain silent because of the experience being traumatic to them, thinking that they could get in trouble some how if they told.

 

the legal sex age veries in US States. it can go as low as 14 (hawaii and other low populated states) but with a certain age limit. hawaii has a 6 year age difference. so u can legally have sex with a 14 yr old at the age of 20 in hawaii. in pennsylvania the age of consent is 16 with a 4 yr difference. so if ur 21 u cant sleep with any under the age of 17. the strictest in the US is california. age of consent is 16 with a 3 yr difference.

however. i read somewheres most states allow it legal to have sex with an underage female if they have been dating for more than 6 months within a 6 year age difference.

and if you go to the same school as your partner then u cant be charged for statuatory (spelt way wrong i believe) rape as their is no age limit (or so thats how it is in Pennsylvania)

hope this information helps you guys out.

and to answer the original question of the post. i think if a minor was to lead and over aged adult on and was completely willing i think its wrong for the adult to be charged and jailed. but there would be know way to prove that thats how it went. and people of the law want their money they get for sending people to jail and w/e so they will do so. unfair yes. but its how things go. gotta learn to live with it i guess