Exactly, the Jews are invading the Muslims homeland. If England came over to the states and said America was there's again, they would be in the wrong. It doesn't matter it the Jews where there at one point or not, they are invading another persons homeland.

Also the Jews would kick the Muslims out of there homes. They have already done that.
I don't know what help you think your going to get, America is not going to help you seeing as we already have enough shit to deal with. No one in Europe is going to help you seeing as there either in the same boat as us, or they just are smart and stay out of shit. The middle east isn't going to help you, seeing as you would be invading them. Russia and China won't help you, most likely they will actually help the Arabic countries. I don't know where you get your facts, but your off bud.

 

...and we can go back and forth all night...future events will prove one of us right and the other wrong...until then all we can do is watch. So kick back and get comfortable, its gonna be a hell of a show!

 

Yeap, just like I thought, you have no real proof, you can't even tell me who is going to help you. Your a bullshitter to the end, a not very good one at that.
Oh I know your either not going to reply (that's the best option)
Or your just going to keep spitting shit with no proof.

 

First of all, it isnt ME that will be getting the help, its Israel. As to where I get my facts...heres a little assignment for ya. Read Ezekiel, chapters 38 & 39...if ya can deal with that...dont worry I`ll understand if you cant, most cant, and I`ll also understand all the hate and bullshit you`ll undoubtedly start spewing, its to be expected. And again, only time can prove either of us right or wrong, so ya, go ahead and continue arguing if its what makes your dick hard but honestly, its pointless and I have much more enjoyable things to do. L8er...

 

I have read it buddy. Guess what though, if you actually truthfully knew your own religion, you would know that the jews the christians and the muslims follow the same God, He's not going to kill his own people. Also, It say's when peace starts in the middle east, the end is coming.

 

I love Israel, but I doubt your imperialistic fantasies are helpful to that country. Considering Israel's size, both in terms of geography and population, Israel is about as significant militarily and economically as it is going to be. The wonder is that Israel is as powerful as it is.

The Israeli Empire you envision would only be possible if the Israelis could turn surrounding Arab populations into loyal citizens. They have not been able to do that with the Palestinians.

 

In 1948, the United Nations granted Ben Gurion his wish and gave a patch of land to the Jewish people, who called it Israel (named afetr the three Gods they lived under in ancient times: Isis in nether Egypt, Amon-Ra, in Egypt --after Pharao Echnaton from upper Egypt conquered nether Egypt and instituted Amon-Ra as deity for the whole country-- and El from the land of Kanaan, where the Jews fled after being chased from Egypt). The stupid thing the UN did was NOT giving the Palestinians also a patch of land...

For years both peoples lived in peace, but things took a tumble when some Arabs wanted the same things the Jews worked their arses off for: patches of desert reworked to fertile lands. Only, the Arabs wanted to use those fertile grounds for free, without wanting to do anything for it in return. The jews told the Arabs to convert their own pieces of desert into fertile land, and the Arabs were indignified and started to revolt...

That's it in a nutshell. That's how the conflict started. Fuelled by the UK and the USA, because some folk saw bread in a conflict because wars are very profitable.

Meanwhile, some religious leaders also saw an opportunity to get a foot in the door and reclaim land that was taken away from their Sultanats in favour of the Jews.

That's how a conflict over the use of common grounds escalated into a religious war. And it has been going on ever since...

The USA has always petted Israel, because they needed an ally in the region as a buffer in case there was an oil shortage.

The religious aspect of the conflict has been kept alive, because it keeps the Arabs divided. Under normal circumstances, it is very difficult to keep Arabs together as one people, because there's too many small clans who are likely to switch ally when seeing someone who is more in favour of their petty cause. That's why even Arafat wasn't able to keep the PLO together and splinter groups like Fatah were founded...

Egypt, which had been a fervent anti-Israel country and was majorly involved in the yom-kippur war in '68, made a U-turn when Sadat came to power. The Camp David Accords were signed and peace reigned... for a very short while. Sadat was murdered, Moshe Dayan died, and the old Israelian hawks came to the fore again...

In the meantime however, those hawks have been treating their 'enemies' as bad as the jews themselves have been treated during the 2nd world war. World opinions changed, so the USA had to come up with something to silence the mob.

So, another peace treaty was put together. And again the old Israeli hawks did everything in their power to get from under the treaty.

Funny how, everytime someone in the region stands-up for peace, they get killed. Why? Because there's powers that don't want the conflict to end. Again, because there's lots of money to be made with wars. That's why the Vietnam war lasted almost 2 decades. That's why the palestinian/Israeli conflict lasts for over 60 years. Money.

Meanwhile, there's atrocities being committed, of which harvesting organs is but the tip of the iceberg...

 

In Hebrew, Israel means, "He that striveth with God." In Genesis 32:28 the name was given to Jacob, after he wrestled with what seems to have been a divine being.

The king of the Canaanite gods was named El. In the Old Testament, God is sometimes called El, El Shaddai, or Elohim. In the King James Bible, these are translated as "God," "God Almighty," and "God," although the Hebrew word, Elohim, is plural.

The Old Testament also refers to God as Yahweh. This means in Hebrew, "I Am," and has different origins from El, El Shaddai, and Elohim. In the King James Bible, Yahweh is translated as "Lord," or "the Lord." "Jehovah" is a mistranslation.

In Exodus 6:2-3 it is written, "And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord; And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known unto them."

 

Is, from Isis. Ra, from Amon-Ra and El, from...errr... El. You see, I read more than just religious texts alone. That the Hebrews later gave these knitted abrevviations a meaning, isn't my fault.

As for the rest, it is a wee bit besides the point as a response to my reply. I wonder why you slap me a few gods around the ears when I wanted to point out how the conflict in the Middle East started. Now you have me reaching for my Thora and waving it in a defensive manner in your general direction...

 

When people appear to fight over religious differences it is frequently, if not usually, the case that religious differences correlate with national differences. For example, the Northern Irish Protestants are descended from Scottish settlers who moved there during the seventeenth century.

If the United States was only concerned with oil, the United States would never have supported Israel. President Truman's decision to support the creation of Israel was opposed by many in the State Department, who thought it would be dangerous to anger the oil rich Arabs.

In the beginning of the Yom Kipper war of 1973 it appeared that Israel was going to be destroyed. By air lifting weapons to Israel, President Nixon saved Israel, while provoking the OPEC oil boycott, which lead to the inflationary recession of 1974. This in turn, placed the American people in a sour mood, and made Nixon vulnerable during the Watergate Scandal.

Rather than keeping the Arabs disunited, I would suggest that the existence of Israel is one of the few things that unites them.

 

Bollocks Amigo. The Irish Protestants came from England. Protestantism was introduced in England by Dutchman Willem van Oranje (William Of Orange), hence the Orange March every year.

It seems I opened up a can of worms here... forgive me if it was one of yours. It was an accident...

 

I hope you do not think I am flaming you, but I have never read your entomology of the word "Israel," and I am fairly well read on the Bible.

 

That's just the point. Fairly well read on the bible. I read everything...

 

Scotch Irish

The first major influx of Scots into Ulster came during the settlement of east Down onto land cleared of native Irish. This started in May 1606 and was followed in 1610 by the arrival of many more Scots as part of the Plantation of Ulster. The Scottish population in Ulster was further augmented during the subsequent Irish Confederate Wars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_American

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Some English moved to northern Ireland, but most came from Scotland. Most of the Irish Protestants are Presbyterian, rather than members of the Church of England. Presbyterianism originated in Scotland.

 

Location: Port of Antwerp

If you live in Antwerp, you know at least two languages, which is better than me. I have read the Bible from cover to cover in seven English translations. I have also read quite a few books about the Bible.

 

I speak Flemish (mother-tongue), French, German and English. Also a mouthful of Spanish and a bit of Italian and I can survive in Russia... but that could have more to do with the fact that I can handle a strongbow pretty well, as with my Russian :excited:

All I can suggest to you, Distant Lover, is to read stuff that is NOT bible-related. Start with the Greek classics.

A book I strongly recommend, although it is fiction based on fact, is Norman Mailer's "Ancient Evenings", because it gives a pretty good and accurate insight into ancient Egyptian culture. Mika Waltari's "Sinue" is also very good on that subject...

Why Egypt subjects? Because that's where everything we know started... everything that is written in the bible has its roots in Egyptian history and mythology

Oh, and I've also read the Popol Vuh, the Mahabaratah and about a dozen of other 'Bibles' from other cultures...

 

I have read the complete works of Homer, Hesiod, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Pindar, Apollonius several times in at least one English translation. I have also read the Aeneid by Virgil, and the Metamorphesis by Ovid. Most of this I read on my own. I was not assigned to read it in college. The convention among the ancient Greeks and Romans was that serious literature should concern the period of time from the creation of the world to the immediate aftermath of the Trojan War.

It is interesting to see how the different writers cover the same events and people. For example, in the Odyssey, Homer portrays Odysseus heroically. In The Trojan Women Euripides presents him as a cowardly schemer. The Trojan Women is about the women of Troy after their husbands and male relatives have been killed, and before they are to be taken to Greece as slave concubines. Although Euripides was an Athenian, he wrote The Trojan Women to condemn the Athenians. They had recently attacked a city, killed all the men and boys, and taken the women as captives.

I have read the surviving works of Germanic mythology, and the major writings of each of the world's great religions. I have read the Mahabharata, but I prefer the Ramayana.

 

Oh yea? Well I have read the Giving Tree. So that makes me the expert, enough with the dick measuring contest, you're in the wrong section, that takes place in sexuality and/or pic and movie post.

 

Man, I cannot believe you would come up with Ancient Evenings. What a delight. That was an amazing piece of work not just for the insight it gave to ancient Egypt but also some of hot, hot, hot sexy parts.

 

Well I was taught that Henry VIII introduced protestantism to my fair land, which was briefly overthrown by Mary, reinstated by Elizabeth
continued by Edward VI. then the problems started with the Stuarts, James I Charles 1 and 2 all tree were suspected of trying to reintroduce catholicism back to our nation, then James 2 who was deposed in the glorious revolution and William of Orange put on the throne. James 2 was exiled to france and then led a force of mercenries and raised an army in eire to attempt to overthrow Bill,culminating in his defeat at he River Boyne in 1690, as he fled the field of battle to return to france the Irish called him "Séamus an Chaca or 'James the be-shitten"