And who determines the laws of humanity?

 

I fail to see how your statement is relevant to my statement. Yes, he did do these things, but that doesn't mean he also didn't keep the terrorists in check.

 

You asked which countries attacked us. I pointed out that in each case the other side was the aggressor force. None of the information you posted serves as a rebuttal to that point, instead serving to do nothing more than reinforce my earlier point that war is not simply to kill people on the other side, but to serve one of the three Ps.

Vietnam and Korea were staged by the communist forces to spread their own political power; we fought to protect our own.

Iraq invaded her neighbors for profit; we fought to protect the interests of ourselves and our allies.

Afghanistan served as the home of those who would bring death and destruction to our nation; we fight there to keep it from happening again over here.

 

You tell that to WWll Veterans who helped liberate Dachau and Germany, Italy, France, Holland, England, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Austria, etc.

 

Humans, for starters. I'd be willing to wager that if you checked their law books, Germany has had injunctions against murder in one form or another for several hundred years at this point. Not mention theft, rape, and all the associated crimes the Nazis inflicted on their own populace.

 

It's funny because you're just reiterating that not a single one of them attacked us.

 

Yes, because emotional responses are the best thing to refute a point!

 

But murder is the unlawful killing, remember?

 

Actually, in my experiences few countries consider being invaded unlawful. Rather they treat it as an attempt on their sovereignty, and respond in an appropriate manner.

Really? Are you claiming that there were no laws in WWII Germany against such things as murder, rape, theft, and fraud? The Nazis violated plenty of their own civil laws.

Actually, I'm pointing out quite clearly how they did attack us. North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam; North Korea invaded South Korea; Iraq invaded Kuwait. Al Qaeda invaded America. That's what "aggressor" means; they initiated hostilities. We are part of the global community, and have multiple established relationships with other nations, and acted on those responsibilities. Or would you prefer the US assume a perfectly isolationist stance and not become involved when our friends are threatened?

 

Emotional would be me calling you a dumbass and I don't recall doing that. And I hope nothing happens to your loved ones such as getting raped, attacked, mugged or murdered and no one wants to come to their defense because they "didn't want to get involved" and because "they" weren't attacked.

 

If they considered it lawful wouldn't they not fight back?

No, I'm claiming that their deeds do not fit your/legal definition of murder. State sanctioned murder is by the legal definition not murder.

Are we North Vietnam? Are we South Korea? Are we Kuwait?

And here I thought we were the United States of America.




P.S - Al Qaeda is not a country nor did they invade us...

 

See, I guess you missed where I said I was just having fun. Oh well. Enjoy going to bed all huffy-puffy.

 

Then I challenge you to demonstrate how the following actions do not violate German statutes:

1) Vandalism, as in the case of Crystalnacht
2) Mass execution of civilians, up to and including Jews, Gypsies, Poles, the handicapped and other disabled. Commonly referred to as murder.
3) The seizure of private property by individuals whom have no claim to the belongings. Commonly referred to as theft.
4) Breaking and entering of private property
5) And we can probably add improper disposal of the dead, considering the mass graves that were occasionally done for the sake of convenience. Not everyone made it into the camps.

 

Oh, I'm not going to bed all huffy-puffy!!

 

I can name some of these that occur in the US.

State seizure of land/property - eminent domain
Execution - capital punishment
Breaking and entering private property - police raid


But the burden is on you. Show me that it's against the law.



By the way, since it appears you are unfamiliar with the Nuremburg trials and the effect it had on law, you might want to go check it out.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/flashbks/nurember/wyprec.htm

Wyzanski is a good read, but there are others if you're interested.

 

The economy must be recovering ...... nobody is on anymore

 

Just willy-nilly? You sounded like you were pouting.

 

Nope, not pouting!

 

You assume that "Legality" applies to these situations. Since there is no higher law outside of the individual nation, it doesn't.

Does that mean that state sanctioned torture isn't torture then? As long as a law is still on the books and actively prosecuted, then it applies to each and every individual of a nation, regardless of their position of power.

What you do not seem to understand is that casualties inflicted upon an enemy combatant force during a period of combat are specifically exempted from the legal definitions of murder. Kill a man on the battlefield and he is a casualty of war. Kill a man in a prison camp, and he is a victim of murder. No respectable nation I can think of has ever tried to pretend otherwise.

Are we not a nation in this world? Are we not to be held to the treaties and obligations that we have agreed to honor? I think are, that we do, and that we should. It is in our best interest as a nation to have many friends, and we cannot do that if we turn our backs on them when they are in need of our assistance.

 

Eminent domain is not theft. It requires due reimbursement for any property seized, and can be contested in court and public hearing. Demonstrate to me that the victims of the Holocaust were paid for their losses by the Nazis.

Police raids require a warrant, which in turn requires probable cause and the permission of a judge. Find me the warrants issued by the Nazis.

Executions are carried out after a long appeal process, and can only be handed down as punishment for certain crimes after the executed is found guilty in a court of law. Find me the transcripts of the trials the Nazis carried out before they dug those mass graves and erected their crematoriums.

The burden of proof, as you say, is on you.