Gee Fanfiction that's the exact same argument people are using at this very moment to try and get pornograph outlawed in the USA. People will look at this disgusting and abusive form of sexual perversion and then want to go out and try it. Nice example if you're on a religious site.

I guess you don't get much USA news over there but just in the past two weeks there was a woman who overdosed and died from drinking too much water in a contest sponsored by a radio station. There are several deaths every year in the US from alcohol overdoses.

One of the problems with drugs being illegal is the people using them really have no idea what strength they are, or what they are really made out of, or what they are cut with. All of these result in injury and overdoses and all of those problems come from them being prohibitied and manufactured and sold on the black market.

By the way have you ever heard of an overdose on marijuana. If you'd read this thread you'd see where we are now paying more than a billion dollars a year to imprison marijuana smokers.

Do you have any idea what happens to young men and women in prisons where they are raped, beaten and killed. That's what you're advocating for. And in case it escapes you they cannot even keep drugs out of prisions let alone off the streets.

 

RE: marijuana overdose...It could lead to eating too much pizza or munchies!!

 

Yeah what I said before.

 

drugs also make people think waaa to much about drugs and ways to justify it. (reads stumblers looong posts)

used to do weed, meth, coke, extacy, few 8balls, acid, dust and everything else but heroine, and no matter what good I make of it, it's utimately a downhill path.
the bads outweigh the goods and creating excuses only blankets the guilt from using them.

yes driving fast , water and food can kill as well, but they were'nt originally made for altering the state of mind, and i abuse tacos and cheese pretty bad lol

I dont belive in locking someone up over drug use, especially marijuana they need some help more than they need a big black man trading their ass for a pack of smoke.

 

IN, by your map were number three in the nation. Just because they have a bust doesn't mean they have enough to prosecute or that there wasn't a tip off and the house cleaned. Sometimes they just get them on lesser charges or just wait.

 

I'm not for prohibition of all drugs, however drugs that can kill in one dose are justifiably illegal. Some drugs can kill in one dose!

Make them legal and weaker maybe?

Down on the corner there will be a guy selling full strength version tomorrow for more money, most likely.

Something about addiction:

Did you know some people are addicted to aspirin - ASPIRIN!!!!?? - the kind most of us take for headache - I mean they crave it and get HIGH on it.. and that its killing them when they abuse it!

Drugs of even seemingly innocuous types can affect people differently and can be addictive to some individuals (maybe even YOU!)

Just because some big mouth, self-aggrandizing, smartass claims drugs didn't kill him or even give him major problems, doesn't mean they wont kill you or that YOU wont get addicted to a drug if you try them out - or take them frequently or long for enough.

When you find YOUR drug - the one that seems made for you personally, and yes it could be ASPIRIN for some poor bastards - YOU will be feeling like "WOW - where have you been all my life?" even if you're eighty years old! You CAN be addicted from day one AND die EVEN THOUGH seeking help to get off drugs.

Don't look at survivors and think.. ok you lived so I will. I have heard 1000's of real people tell of real life horror and misery form drugs.. one intellectual dumb-cunt saying "hey I'm fine n I did it and so did other some other people!" doesn't mean those other 1000sm of ordinary folk were wrong or lying to you to keep you out of some secret pot of gold or some shit.

YOU could be addicted to a drug from DAY 1.

You can't know if this will be YOU. Nor do I, and nor does anyone else.. But claims like "I took drugs and I'm OK" does not prove YOU wont have a problem even if you TRY to start out small and be careful. I've met parents who lost a kid the first time that kid took a drug and died in his bedroom. One dose - one kill.

Hard drugs are illegal for a good reason, because they can and do kill people everyday - even in one dose!

It's your choice.. but ffs be informed that it IS a risk, a gamble and ask yourself . Can you afford, or want to loose that gamble ? And suffer ?

Does the reader want real life information - not some fanciful speculation?
Physically go to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting and find out what types of drugs people can be addicted to by asking people their story. You may be very surprised.
Get a copy of "the big blue book" of AA to read real accounts of unlikely types of ordinary people (little old grannies etc) who had problems with drugs (alcohol in that case) from DAY ONE! Addicted from first try!

That AA book tells that 60% of alcoholics die of the disease/addiction, and that's out of the ones that GO to AA for help!. Narcotic's Anonymous is even more shocking. So have skepticism when told "millions" of people don't have a problem with drugs and before you decide IPSO FACTO: YOU the reader probably wont have a problem so go for it!.. best ignore advise like 'almost no one dies directly from taking drugs' too - that's just encouragement and potential justification for gambling with your life, and you're only hoping that it wont be you who gets fucked up with such wishful thinking with regards to hard drugs.

 

Well as long as you believe we should not be putting people in prison for using drugs then we agree on the most important point.

However, just because you don’t agree with my points of view on this topic I don’t think that makes them loony. But if you can point out where I’ve misinformed or point out the faults in my arguments please do so. I learn something new everyday.

I’m saying that drugs have added more to my life than they have taken away. Not everyone has or would have the same experience but we all have to be responsible for the choices we make. What drug prohibition does is take the responsibility away from the individual and that actually increases the problem instead of decreasing it.

I would also have to ask what is so bad about the individual altering the state of their mind? It is quite common in nature. Animals such as birds, deer, bears and others do it with naturally produced chemicals.

Drugs have also been used in many cultures to reach a higher level of consciousness, cure illnesses and relax. When we look at those cultures with an open mind there is little damage caused by their acceptance.

I also notice that you are apparently experienced with drugs but are still here and seem to be doing OK and stopped using them. Are you the only human that will come to the same conclusion?

Prohibition has never worked and never will work.

 

Thank you for identifying your area.

Did you read the information on the map provided by the US Drug Enforcement Agency. If you did you’ll notice it states the figures are based not only on labs they actually busted, but also include evidence they found in dumpsters as well as glass ware that might be used in a meth lab. I’m aware (and you should be) that since state and local law enforcement receive federal grants for combating meth it is in their best interest to inflate the number of meth labs as much as possible.

It is also in the governments best interest to try and fight drug use with scare tactics. This was certainly the case in the 1960’s when LSD first became popular and the government claimed that taking LSD would cause birth defects. The problem was than millions of people were taking LSD and having perfectly healthy kids. So the next scare tactic was that it was actually marijuana that was causing the birth defects instead of the LSD and the problem was that many people in the study had used both drugs and that’s why they thought the birth defects where caused by LSD when it was actually marijuana.

The reality was that since what some people called LDS was a lot easier to make than meth is it started to be processed or cut with strychnine and a lot of other really nasty chemicals and LSD use had fallen off but marijuana use was increasing.

The result was that most of us stopped believing all government warnings sometimes at our peril. As an example myself and some of my friends started getting high on propane because one of my friends read the warning label that said WARNING: Inhalation of vapors could be harmful or fatal. And then concluded “see the government puts that on everything that will make you high” so we tried it and it worked. I shudder to think now that I’m fully aware of the brain damage huffing petroleum products can cause, let alone the dangers inherent in filling a garbage bag with propane to huff it. Talk about your explosive situations.

It is no joke when I say thank the street drugs like LSD and pot finally found their way to our small town, they probably saved our lives.

 

Your right Prohiibition doesn't work,I think the goverenment will agree with you. Maybe we should follow Amsterdam and legalize certain drug and tax the shit of them (same with Prostitution). But Stumbler here a list for you:
My friends:
Karen: dead at 22- heroin overdose.
Greg: dead at 19- ran car into a tree on MJ
Jennifer: 18- heroin OD
Tim: 21. Heart attack (mixed white crosses, coke, & meth)
Will: 22- moriphene OD
& Jessi: 24. Shot once in the back of the head because she lost $20,000 in drugs she was to suppose to sell.

Yeah, your right I feel alot better knowing I lived and i'm doing okay. Makes me feel a whole lot better. Hell, I probabily should throw myself an F'ing party or something, knowing that I introduced Karen & Jennifer to the guy that sold them the shit they died on. Maybe I could invite their families and say "Hey your daughters are dead but, hey i'm doing okay for myself. How 'bout you all?"

 

Fair enough but here are some statistics for you.

The Journal of the American Medical Association, Jan. 19, 2005, Vol. 293, No. 3, p. 298, reported on the leading causes of death in the United States:
§ Tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths)
§ Poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%)
§ Alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%)

(Note: 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related vehicle crashes are included in both Alcohol consumption above and Motor vehicle crashes below.)
§ Microbial agents (75,000)
§ Toxic agents (55,000)
§ Motor vehicle crashes (43,000)(see Note above)
§ Incidents involving firearms (29,000)
§ Sexual behaviors (STDs, hepatitis B and C, and cervical cancer) (20,000)
§ Illicit use of drugs (17,000)

 

Well I think it all ought to be legalized tax it and sell it over the county to adults just like cigarettes. You pay tax on them and Whiskey and there both a drug I took enough speed in my younger days to load a battleship and drank enough Jack Daniels to float the bastard. I'm not in to any of them bad anymore but nicotine has got to be the worst for me for even after losing a lung I can't quit them fucking cigarettes. Yup legalize it It won't be any fun then,You won't be slipping around feeling you never got caught.

 

I'm not for prohibition of all drugs, however drugs that can kill in one dose are justifiably illegal. Some drugs can kill in one dose!
The problem with this logic is exactly what you point out three sentences down. As long as some drugs are legal and others are illegal there will be a black market created for the illegal ones and studies of America’s experiment with prohibition of alcohol have shown that the illegal drugs will actually be more attractive than the legal ones.


Did you know some people are addicted to aspirin - ASPIRIN!!!!?? - the kind most of us take for headache - I mean they crave it and get HIGH on it.. and that its killing them when they abuse it!
Doesn’t this actually just prove that the real problem is with people and not the drugs in and of themselves. And as I’ve pointed out according to the medical experts people can also get addicted to the internet, pornography, religion, and anything else that gives them a form of positive reinforcement.
In that case the best thing we can do is gain a much better understanding of addiction and how to treat it.


Just because some big mouth, self-aggrandizing, smartass claims drugs didn't kill him or even give him major problems, doesn't mean they wont kill you or that YOU wont get addicted to a drug if you try them out - or take them frequently or long for enough.
Absolutely folks, that’s why you better take notice of the dangers of Aspirin that the quiet, modest, unassuming, intellectual Fanfiction has provided you with.


When you find YOUR drug - the one that seems made for you personally, and yes it could be ASPIRIN for some poor bastards - YOU will be feeling like "WOW - where have you been all my life?" even if you're eighty years old! You CAN be addicted from day one AND die EVEN THOUGH seeking help to get off drugs.

Well in that case obviously the only real solution is to make asprin, cigarettes, alcohol and food illegal.

Don't look at survivors and think.. ok you lived so I will. I have heard 1000's of real people tell of real life horror and misery form drugs.. one intellectual dumb-cunt saying "hey I'm fine n I did it and so did other some other people!" doesn't mean those other 1000sm of ordinary folk were wrong or lying to you to keep you out of some secret pot of gold or some shit.


I guess I’ll just laugh and shake my head at the obvious contradiction of intellectual dumb cunt but here is some much better written and more constructive advice:

The Perfect High by Shel Silverstein

There once was a boy named Gimme-Some-Roy...
He was nothin’ like me or you,
‘cause laying back and getting high
was all he cared to do.

As a kid, he sat in the cellar...sniffing airplane glue.
And then he smoked banana peels, when that was the thing to do.
He tried aspirin in Coca-Cola, he breathed helium on the sly,
and his life became an endless search to find the perfect high.

But grass just made him wanna lay back and eat chocolate-chip pizza all night,
and the great things he wrote when he was stoned looked like shit in the morning light.
Speed made him wanna rap all day, reds laid him too far back,
Cocaine-Rose was sweet to his nose, but the price nearly broke his back.

He tried PCP, he tried THC, but they never quite did the trick.
Poppers nearly blew his heart, mushrooms made him sick.
Acid made him see the light, but he couldn’t remember it long.
Hash was a little too weak, and smack was a lot too strong.
Quaaludes made him stumble, booze just made him cry,
Then he heard of a cat named Baba Fats who knew of the perfect high.

Now, Baba Fats was a hermit cat...lived high up in Nepal,
High on a craggy mountain top, up a sheer and icy wall.
“Well, hell!” says Roy, “I’m a healthy boy, and I’ll crawl or climb or fly,
Till I find that guru who’ll give me the clue as to what’s the perfect high.”

So out and off goes Gimme-Some-Roy, to the land that knows no time,
Up a trail no man could conquer, to a cliff no man could climb.
For fourteen years he climbed that cliff...back down again he’d slide
He’d sit and cry, then climb some more, pursuing the perfect high.

Grinding his teeth, coughing blood, aching and shaking and weak,
Starving and sore, bleeding and tore, he reaches the mountain peak.
And his eyes blink red like a snow-blind wolf, and he snarls the snarl of a rat,
As there in repose, and wearing no clothes, sits the god-like Baba Fats.

“What’s happenin’, Fats?” says Roy with joy, “I’ve come to state my biz
I hear you’re hip to the perfect trip... Please tell me what it is.
“For you can see,” says Roy to he, “I’m about to die,
So for my last ride, tell me, how can I achieve the perfect high?”

“Well, dog my cats!” says Baba Fats. “Another burned out soul,
Who’s lookin’ for an alchemist to turn his trip to gold.
It isn’t in a dealer’s stash, or on a druggist’s shelf
Son, if you would find the perfect high, find it in yourself.”

“Why, you jive mother-fucker!” says Roy, “I climbed through rain and sleet,
I froze three fingers off my hands, and four toes off my feet!
I braved the lair of the polar bear, I’ve tasted the maggot’s kiss.
Now, you tell me the high is in myself? What kinda shit is this?

My ears, before they froze off,” says Roy, “had heard all kindsa crap;
But I didn’t climb for fourteen years to hear your sophomore rap.
And I didn’t climb up here to hear that the high is on the natch,
So you tell me where the real stuff is, or I’ll kill your guru ass!”

“Okay...okay,” says Baba Fats, “You’re forcin’ it outta me...
There is a land beyond the sun that’s known as Zabolee.
A wretched land of stone and sand, where snakes and buzzards scream,
And in this devil’s garden blooms the mystic Tzutzu tree.

Now, once every ten years it blooms one flower, as white as the Key West sky,
And he who eats of the Tzutzu flower shall know the perfect high.
For the rush comes on like a tidal wave...hits like the blazin’ sun.
And the high? It lasts forever, and the down don’t never come.

But, Zabolee Land is ruled by a giant, who stands twelve cubits high, And with eyes of red in his hundred heads, he awaits the passer-by.
And you must slay the red-eyed giant, and swim the river of slime,
Where the mucous beasts await to feast on those who journey by.
And if you slay the giant and beasts, and swim the slimy sea,
There’s a blood-drinking witch who sharpens her teeth as she guards the Tzutzu tree.”

“Well, to hell with your witches and giants,” says Roy, “To hell with the beasts of the sea
Why, as long as the Tzutzu flower still blooms, hope still blooms for me.”
And with tears of joy in his sun-blind eyes, he slips the guru a five,
And crawls back down the mountainside, pursuing the perfect high.

“Well, that is that,” says Baba Fats, sitting back down on his stone,
Facing another thousand years of talking to God, alone.
“Yes, Lord, it’s always the same...old men or bright-eyed youth...
It’s always easier to sell ‘em some shit than it is to tell them the truth.”

Hard drugs are illegal for a good reason, because they can and do kill people everyday - even in one dose!
As I’ve already said the same is true for a host of legal drugs, chemicals, substances, water and alcohol but lets run the statistics one more time to see what is really killing the most people.
Here are some more recent statistics on causes of death from drugs and other means.

The Journal of the American Medical Association, Jan. 19, 2005, Vol. 293, No. 3, p. 298, reported on the leading causes of death in the United States:
§ Tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths)
§ Poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%)
§ Alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%)

(Note: 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related vehicle crashes are included in both Alcohol consumption above and Motor vehicle crashes below.)
§ Microbial agents (75,000)
§ Toxic agents (55,000)
§ Motor vehicle crashes (43,000)(see Note above)
§ Incidents involving firearms (29,000)
§ Sexual behaviors (STDs, hepatitis B and C, and cervical cancer) (20,000)
§ Illicit use of drugs (17,000)

Does the reader want real life information - not some fanciful speculation?
Physically go to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting and find out what types of drugs people can be addicted to by asking people their story. You may be very surprised.
Get a copy of "the big blue book" of AA to read real accounts of unlikely types of ordinary people (little old grannies etc) who had problems with drugs (alcohol in that case) from DAY ONE! Addicted from first try!
Is it possible that after all I’ve written on the subject that the all so insightful Fanfiction assumes that I have never been to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting? Allow me to tell what you will really find there. You will find people who are trying to recover from the perfectly legal drug alcohol. There will be a few perhaps that also had problems with other drugs, but the vast majority are trying to recover form their addiction to a perfectly legal drug that by chemical definition is a true poison, more physically addictive than heroine and lethal in high enough concentrations. You will also in all probability find a room full of people who are still addicted to nicotine and caffeine. And many people will tell you Fanfiction is right about one thing at least, they were basically addicted from their first drink.

That AA book tells that 60% of alcoholics die of the disease/addiction, and that's out of the ones that GO to AA for help!.
If this is actually the case shouldn’t we be telling people to never, every take a drink of Alcohol.
By the way, surely after all your warnings and preaching you don’t drink alcohol or God forbid use aspirin do you Fanfiction?

 

Yes.. you made me think on that remark some more..

The term 'pseudo intellectual dumb-cunt' is far more appropriate for a person that encourages any impressionable people to give A grade (hard) drugs a try because that person has decided they aren't really dangerous (at least for himself.) .

Because although you'd still have to be a dumb-cunt to recommend such irresponsible action.. you ARE only pretending to be intelligent when you endorse it, so I stand corrected.

Still. I can only hope no one takes you for more than a blow hard, and kills themselves with a speed shot tonight while trying to be all cool and mature and hip about hard drugs as you pretend to be.

 

And God I hope no poor pussy cat gets killed by someone shoving their cock up their ass.

 

but shootings.. and road rage.. and mother's drowning babies.. while all quite real and.. unfortunately.. sad realities about the condition of our society.. it isnt what we're talking about..

our unpredictibility is one of the few real truths about our humanity as a whole..

but it does not answer the question.. what do we do then?? if it isnt the government's job to take charge and put us under control.. cause really.. we are completely out of control.. then who??

i mean we can talk all day about causality and the human condition.. but it will only continue to beg the question.. what do we do??

 

I guess I don't really understand what you are asking me here. Could you be more specific?

 

Legalize it, tax the hell out of it, and it not "edgy" anymore people will start to stop doing it. A education is the key. More and more people in the US, are quitting smoking because the taxes on it are to high. A friend of mine said he was traveling, and had to pay almost $6 for a pack somewhere. And in IN our state just vote to increase the tax on smokes again. I think if people had to pay for a pack of blunts that would start to fix the problem. You also control quality and potency that way.

 

i see it as a 2 way sword, if we were all stoned all the time, then there would probably be peace, and food sales would sky rocket

...but then again not much would get done if we were all high, and the human body was'nt made for such immediated enhances that drugs can do (better stamina, increased vitality etc) and the body will break down sooner from it.
You also risk having screwed up kids. But when you have kids, hard drugs are the last thing on your mind.

temporarily ,it can be fun, but in the long run, it will all catch up
and there's always going to be the day where someone takes them away for awhile, then you have all those bottled up emotions ready to explode that you used to contain with drugs, then where do you turn too since you have yourself believing that you needed them.

I admit I had a blast in my younger days with them, but now Im forgetting simple things, getting words mixed up, my bones hurt, and damn I wish I did'nt do them.

I dont regret it totally tho since now I'll know what signs to look for if my kid ever uses, and I'll know good and effective ways to help and do something about it.
And understand why they went that direction


Stumbler I got to admit, you drive a good debate and make some good points, but I still have to disagree with you. I believe it's all a dead end path, no matter how well you drive it.
The more I did drugs, the more Iwas fooling myself into thinking they were good, alas one of the reasons they're so hard to quit.

You're right about the nicotine, damn it's nearly impossible to get off that, but if it was'nt for that cigarrette to calm me down on some days, id probably go nuts and climb some walls lol
And there I go trying to justify my own habbit

Sorry people are getting mad at your point of view, your just expressing what you believe, it does'nt make you a bad guy

 

what do we do then?? if it isnt the government's job to take charge and put us under control.. cause really.. we are completely out of control.. then who??

..

 

pot=good
beer=great
heroin=bad
crack/coke=bad

Federal laws and drugs=bad
State laws and drugs=wise

my opinions