:twisted::twisted:

 

Nope I said that is what I, personally, believe, I leave the pushing beliefs onto people in your capable hands. People with the dreams of individual freedom are who founded this country, I just hope we return one day to what it was supposed to be. That is all.

 

Oh, you mean when we had slavery, when you had to be a man who owns property in order to vote....that kind of individual freedom?

 

Yes, I am a raving racist who would like nothing more than to own slaves and tell others they can't vote. You got me.

Nope, try again.

 

Or how about that freedom loving Congress that banned criticizing the government in 1798?

 

That would be... dee dee dee... unconstitutional there slick, in direct contradiction to the First Amendment. Thomas Jefferson repealed the Sedition Act almost as soon as he took office.

 

*Stumbler rushes in with gurney and attendants in tow screaming for everyone to back up and give him air. Rushing to King Nothing's side he conducts a full body assessment*

Ok that's what I thought Schultz you've got Distant Lover creeping crud and you need to get treated immediately before it seeps into your brain.

Here, read this twice, and call me in the morning.

http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/sciam2.htm

No kidding I would have never guessed.

How interesting. We can and do call President Obama the same thing since that's what he actually majored in in College and seems to have a better understanding and support for it than any president I've seen in recent history.

Then you would be immediately discriminating against atheists and completely contradicting the purpose and sprirt of the constitution which was to take rights away from Gods and Churches and give them to human beings because after all it was Kings who claimed their authority came from God, not the common people, and the church backed them up on it.

So the founders of this nation wrote God and Religion out of the constitution.

Well ...... but ...... what you believe is just your own bullshit that you either heard or made up to suit your preconceived prejudices and has nothing to do with the constitution or the founders of this nation.

The Constitution is the contract, the agreement between the people and their government. Pure and simple and not a damned thing to do with God.

Because we have that powerful of an insurance lobby .......

Tell it to the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers (and yourself) who have to drag God and religion into everything and try to force it down everyone else's throat. They're the ones who say you can't drink until you're 21 and if they had their way would not be on this porn forum at all because they want to outlaw that.

I thought you said you have great health insurance provided by the government. But you want to scream about waste. The cost of treating people who don't have insurance is what is making our health care system unsustainable.

Not me. I don't think you're a killer or a racist. I think your a babbling fountain of irrational and illogical right win noise machine propaganda that won't stand up to even the simplest logical tests.

No even savvy republicans can see the Tea Party is going nowhere because all they do is babble nonsense just like you're doing here. And instead of getting their candidates elected they are going to get republicans defeated and democrats like Harry Reid of Nevada re-elected.

Oh man why didn't you say this in the first place. I can help you with this.

Now just listen to my voice and do as I say. Just put the crack pipe down buckeye. And now just slowly back away towards the sound of my voice. I'll save you.

 

The Declaration of Independence makes use of the words "Nature's God" and "Creator" and so I thought I was being diplomatic by choosing my words, fair enough I will also add the rights are granted simply by BEING. Now where in the Constitution does it say anything about seperation of church and state... I am just saying. I am not a religous person, I have not ever been an attender of services of any kind, nor am I even sure there is a God so to speak, so lets not let that get in the way.

I said I had access to Tricare Prime because I HAVE to, but that I have my own insurace that I pay out of pocket because I don't like being told where I can and can't go to a doctor.

Dont get me started on Obama and the Constitution, just because he majored in Constitutional Law doesn't mean squat, and it shows.

 

The doctrine of separation of church and state is derived from the Constitution (as interpreted by the courts over 200+ years), and was the clear, documented intent of the framers of the Constitution. The founding fathers were very clear that they didn't want a state religion, which was the case in England. Why else would they consciously leave out words like "God" and "Creator"? They created a purely secular government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States

 

Now we swing towards the religious divide, prepare to be bombarded by the young ill informed idiot.:excited:

 

He'll probably be content to chastise me for using Wikipedia as a source, while he recites his Fox News talking points.

 

I was thinking of our female adversary, the one who hates with such vitriol, and thinks we are all liberals.:excited:

 

Ah, yes, she seems to have disappeared for the moment, following her tantrum a couple of days ago.

 

Aaah she is probably on the naughty step for throwing her teddy out of the pram.:excited:

 

Regardless of the repeal, half of the Founding Fathers were perfectly accepting of a law that banned criticizing the government because it brought them political gain. I don't think you appreciate the significance of that law. These were not the fictitious "liberty-loving" patriots you mythologize about. They owned other people because of their skin color.

 

Thank you stumbly. It was horrible. And so sudden.

First he was all reasonable and polite, and then *WHAM* he was like "Bell Curve. I wanna own black people." And I was like, "WHAT?!" And then he went back to being all affable again. (I think he has Tourette's.)

 

You might agree to disagree but you as much called her scum. That's what I find so amusing.

-S-

 

I don't hate him, I don't hate anyone. However I think he is an incompetent, useless, idealist which is fucking up this country worse than anyone before him.

As they say: If Osama wants to destroy America he better hurry up, Obama is beating him to it.

 

No, like I said before what you're actually doing is just parroting false right wing propaganda that will not stand up to a logical test.

For example, the Deceleration of Interdependence is a propaganda piece according to literary genre. It has no legal authority what so ever and is not what our constitution was based on.

In fact, the writers of the Constitution and founders of this nation deliberately and purposely not only left God out of it, they left the concept of God out of the new government for the first time in human history. It was the Enlightenment and Age of Reason and their belief was that humans just on their own were perfectly capable of governing themselves without the help and/or interference of a God or Higher Power.

That was actually more revolutionary than Revolutionary War at the time. A single point in Human History, and possibly even the greatest single point in human existence, because from then on people controlled their own governments and destiny without God. And it amazes and sickens me to see how many US citizens have no concept of just how revolutionary their form of government is.

That's not what I said or asked was it? I already noted you have your own insurance. But what about all those other veterans. If we supply their health care, you know just like extending unemployment benefits and COBRA subsidies, (like feeding the bears) according to you they are going to become dependent on the government doll. Aren't we really hurting them when what we need to do is take their government medical care away and make them get off their asses and get a job and buy their own insurance? You know, like you say you said you did.

We can't have a bunch of lazy dependent veterans sucking up our precious tax dollars can we?

The problem with this is you obviously have no knowledge nor understanding of the Constitution of the United States and are certainly in no position to evaluate President Obama's understanding of it.

Or maybe I'm wrong about that. Tell you what. Why don't you list the unconstitutional things you think President Obama has done and what makes them unconstitutional and let's have a look at them.

Surely you wouldn't go around accusing President Obama of not knowing the constitution and violating it without specific examples would you Buckeye?

I have to treat myself sometimes too. But since Distant Lover hangs his existence on The Bell Curve, a quick reminder that both the book and Charles Murray are thoroughly discredited immunizes me.

Actually President Obama is not only the most intelligent president I've seen in my lifetime he is also the hardest working president I've ever seen and has gotten more done in his time in office so far than some presidents manage to do is a full term.

Here's just a little reminder of what President Obama and the Democrats have accomplished so far. And we need to add financial reform and (when the senate gets through vacationing) extended unemployment and COBRA subsidies. Its a bunch and most of it actually historic like health care reform.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2...s-that-hopey,-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya

Only a fool would claim President Obama is ruining the country when George Bush left with two wars, $6 TRILLION dollars in additional national debt, 8 million jobs lost, and the nation on the verge of another Great Depression.

Actually the opposite is obviously true. It is the conservative/Republicans and their lie and spend policies, and greed that brought this great nation to its knees. And its President Obama and the Democrats who have found solutions, brought the nation back from the brink of a great depression, and confronted the most serious problems this nation has faced in more than a generation.

And it is the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers who are actively trying to make America fail so President Obama and the Democrats don't succeed.

Thank God they can't even do that right.

 

im in between. i dont think he is doing that good of a job but he beat bush or maccain anyday