You're about 3 weeks behind, Darlin!

 

The Nicene Creed

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

—Episcopal Church Book of Common Prayer (1979), The Book of Common Prayer. New York: Church Publishing Incorporated. 2007. pp. 326–327. Retrieved 2013-02-18.

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The Nicene Creed was composed in order to resolve disagreements over the divinity of Jesus. The assertion of that divinity continued to cause Christianity logical difficulties and inspired Mohammed to keep Islamic doctrine simple. It was not an issue during the Protestant Reformation.

Any mention in the Nicene Creed of innate human wickedness is subdued.

However, homo sapiens is the deadliest predator in existence. We have caused the extinctions of probably thousands of animal species, perhaps more. We are the only species that engages in organized, systematic killing of other members of the same species. We have engaged in this as long as written history exists. The evidence of paleontology and archaeology strongly suggests that among paleolithic and neolithic peoples a much higher percentage of people, especially adult males, died violently.

During the eighteenth century Rousseau maintained that humans are born good and are corrupted by civilization. He knew virtually nothing of the cruelties people who had not adopted civilization as comparatively recently as the eighteenth century were engaged in. American Indians routinely tortured to death male prisoners of war. Negroes in Africa practiced cannibalism. Some of them still do.

During the Cold War the United States and the Soviet Union planned to fight a nuclear war that would have killed most of the world's human and non human population.

Historically people have enjoyed watching others tortured to death for what most of us would consider trivial or non existent offenses.

You ShakeZula would blame human cruelty on religion. Nevertheless, the Mongolians were not religiously motivated. I have read that during the Mongolian conquests an estimated ten percent of the world's population was killed by the Mongolians, as well as an estimated thirty percent of China's population. I am not sure how this was estimated. Nevertheless, the written history of the Mongolian conquests records appalling acts of cruelty.

The twentieth century has seen a decline in religious faith, but no decline in the ferocity of war. The Communist governments were explicitly atheist. The Third Reich was implicitly non Christian.

 

Try 3 YEARS for D.L's. response to something Shake posted. :excited::excited:

 

It took him that long to find it on wiki!

 

If you do an internet search for any of my sentences in that post you will not find them. I usually compose my own arguments, using the internet only to document factual assertions.

When I do copy and paste something, I attribute it.

BTW I expected that kind of response from chris4sylvia.

From you it was disappointing.

 

Try looking up "sarcasm" and "sense of humor"

 

took him that long to figure out what he was going to say....

but since he feels he will die soon in a riot....

he has been getting more spirit of the Lord.....



Can you give me a, Halaula !!!!

 

In my comment I acknowledged that the doctrine of Jesus' divinity has caused problems for Christianity. Moreover, it is implicitly denied by Jesus in the following verses:

The Gospel According to St. Matthew: And [Jesus] said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

The Gospel According to St. Mark 10:18: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

I am pointing that out before ShakeZula has a chance to. :mrgreen:

The doctrine of Jesus' divinity is only asserted somewhat obliquely in the Gospel of St. John in passages like the following:

John 1:1,14: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.