You are right about that, but then again, deidre79 is the favorite of many.

 

I don't think I even dare try to copy ShakeZula's case.

I only have two things. Fuck, I'm glad its not me this time.

And I can't wait to see Deidre79's and her friends defense.

By the way ShakeZula since the credibility of you moderators and this forum is under attack I applaud your efforts to set the record straight.

 

I seriously did start doing this exact same thing last night, but rockhardpirate (who did in fact bring over DUNE) stopped me. Shake, you have far more patience than I do.

Let me just say that the half hour or so I put into my identical project looked pretty much the same in regards to me.

 

You are going to have to accept the fact that what red did did not violate any forum rules and as distasteful as you found it, we were powerless to do anything about it in an official capacity. We do not moderate individual behavior, we do not settle disputes and we do not warn people for flaming unless it contains a death threat. This is the law of the land and has always been thus. They broke no rules in egging her on.

At this point, I'm just damn tired of explaining this to you. You PM'd me, I gave you my answer. You didn't like it and PM'd the other mods, who gave you the same damn answer. If you don't like those threads, I suggest you take it up with nophest and get him to change the rules. If he does that, then and only then would be be able to shut down such a thread.

I asked, I did not instruct. And I did it because I was worried of the blow-back it would cause for me, not because I gave a shit about what they were saying to Deidre and not because they were doing anything they weren't allowed to do. I knew I did not provoke her but as we can clearly see, you all think I did anyway, despite 8 pages of evidence to the contrary.

You've done nothing but insinuate, going so far as saying that people are influenced by me now and that they're starting threads to fuck with Deidre because I don't like her. Now it's my fault by merely existing. Give me a fucking break.

Indeed I do when I feel it's appropriate. But I'm not a troll. I will argue and debate ferociously when I feel the need to engage but it stays in the thread. I don't enter a thread and spend a week insulting everyone in it and then cry that I'm being ganged up on. Ask HD if I ever insulted him in our discussion that went back and forth for a month, long before I was even approached for a mod. Go ahead. Better yet, read it yourself.

And gave her no quarter? I never fucking attacked her! What quarter was there to give when I was not engaged in an argument with her? Oh, I see. You're back to saying that merely by existing, I'm in a pitched battle with her no matter where I post or what I say and so I'm responsible for driving her off the fucking ledge.

You're out of your god damned mind.

-S-

 

Hey! Now that does sound a little like you're saying I was an aggressor. :excited:

 

Just say your sock got his brothers to hold you down while he posted using your ID, I suspect they will believe this as he appears to be slightly deranged and capable of doing almost anything. I caught him in my sock draw committing what can only be described as a gross act of sexual violence on my new socks.

They were fresh out of the wrapper and now they are ruined, everytime I try to put them on they cry with the shame he put them through.

 

The things I let that little bastard get away wi-

I mean: "You don't say?!"

 

Actually I'm pretty sure ShakeZula referred to Deidre79 as a man long before he ever became a moderator. I've also seen others it seems to me claim the same thing. And I myself have managed to pick up on enough hints that makes me think Deidre79 is male.

I don't think you can claim that is a result of ShakeZula using private information he received as a moderator. There is lots of ways a people can arrive at such conclusions.

What does people allegedly egging Deidre79 have to do with the false accusations of discrimination against her/him/it and favoritism to other members on the part of the mods which as Piggit explained has happened many times in the past year.

Are you claiming some of us have been egging Deidre79 into making repeated false accusation over at least a year's time.

That's be come pretty powerful egging there tenguy.

What two chief antagonists are you referring to and how do you know this?

Here is the "New Moderators" thread that was posted by Piggit announcing Eljs and ShakeZula had been selected to be Moderators.

https://forum.xnxx.com/showthread.php?t=165740

Here are the first posts by Shake Zula, King Nothing, you and Deidre70 on that thread.

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3115012&postcount=5

Here's the very next post from King Nothing:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showthread.php?t=165740

Who is batting who here, tenguy? Who is trying to attack who and start a fight?

Then it looks to me like you actually take the next little shot. Nothing big, just that you can't understand why they would select ShakeZula as a mod.

And like I said this one might not be a little shot. Its just kind of hard to tell but since we all know how much you hate ShakeZula that's kind of hard to believe, I think.

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3115311&postcount=15

And here is Deidre's first comment on the thread:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3116206&postcount=18

Where is ShakeZula or anyone else baiting Deidre79 tenguy?

Its glaringly obvious that actually its King Nothing, you, and Diedre79, that are attacking and baiting ShakeZula on what actually should have been a proud day for him.

And here's Deidre79's next comment:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3116336&postcount=20

And Deidre79's next comment:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3116379&postcount=23

And you know how many comments ShakeZula has posted by this point according to my count at least? Two. One promising to be far and impartial and another one that basically says he can understand some members are going to be up set which is immediately proven.

Then ShakeZula finally responds to Deidre79's attacks with this post.

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3116925&postcount=25

Deidre responds with this:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3116945&postcount=27

And this:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3116948&postcount=28

You're a pack of fucking liars to try and claim that ShakeZula was the person who was baiting Deidre79 instead of Deidre79 and you and King Nothing trying to provoke ShakeZula into a fight.

 

In so many instances Deidre reaped what she sowed...You can't just blame Shake, Kimi, Piggit, or anyone else(including me)...If you didn't agree with her she would go on a rant about what an awful person they were...I just stayed away from her most of the time...

Ten, you're making her out to be a saint, and I think you'd better go and read some of her earlier posts(before this all started)...I've been trying to stay out of this because I do feel bad for her...No one in their right mind would want all of this attention, and I do wish her the best...As I stated earlier I really don't believe in banning anyone...Nophest gave her a chance to defend her position with some facts, and she didn't do it(for whatever reason)...This is just getting out of hand...

 

I'm not saying anything about her state of mind - but for someone youd have thought wouldnt like all the attention - she played up to it a lot.

 

Sad to say, no you never answered his question, you deflected it. Seriously, you go on a rant and just don't care. That's cool because that's who you are. I, personally, don't worry about what you say to me or about me, but in all seriousness, nophest was just asking you to provide the facts, nothing but the facts, and support them with proof. I, for one, haven't seen any proof, but I am not the one who feels slighted. If you get banned, I'm sorry to say, you will have brought it on yourself. I will be saddened to see you go, but such is life.

Don't expect Deidre not to go on a rant or rampage. Hopefully she will ultimately provide you the proof you desire to come to a more thoughtful decision. If not, that's on her. From the rest of us on the site, thanks for your thoughtfulness and desire to be impartial.

Nor did paglia, but that's not surprising.

We should be so lucky.

 

Since I did not say that Shake directly baited Deidre, will you admit that you indeed are the liar?

Shake is the last person in this forum that I would want to provoke a fight with. You are the first. Your incessant quest to keep this charade alive is keeping the heat on everyone, including Shake, now please STFU.

 

Dear Nophest

I post this in this thread, as I hope you will read through it before deciding whether or not to ban Deidre79, or let her off with merely a warning.

I have thought long and hard about the implications of your ultimatum to Deidre79. The thing that concerns me about this is the precedent it will set:

• Members may be (at the very least), cautious to voice an adverse opinion to that of a mod. This will, I feel, be detrimental to the boards, especially in the case of Shakezula, who is the most prolific posting of the mods in the debating threads.

This is not meant as a condemnation of Shake himself, but is perhaps casting light on any future unease of other members who would normally argue a point (often repeatedly) with Shake. It is not Shake’s problem, it is the problem of the members. But once a precedent has been set, it is very difficult to smooth the waters later.

• If Deidre79 is banned, and if Shake (sorry to keep using you as an example, but you’re just so easy!!) is ‘hotly debating’ against a.n.other member, then this leaves the door open for sniping attacks by others to call for the banning of a.n.other member, especially if insults are thrown. The forum would be awash with cries of “But you banned D79 for just the same thing ‘x’ amount of time ago”. And if any of the other mods were to side with one another, i.e. hold the same opinion, and all get called out, they may well all fall foul to a.n.other member calling them biased or declaring them to be showing favouritism.

And they would be correct. So, if that scenario ever plays out, and a.n.other member cries about ‘mod favouritism’, or ‘mod bias’, what do you do? Whether you ban them or let them stay, you would have to explain, and keep on explaining, the differences, where there will be very few.

I said earlier in this thread that I read a lot of the ‘explosive’ threads over the past week or so. Sometimes not even bothering to log on. From what I know of Deidre’s posts aimed at the mods over the past couple of years, is that it is par for the course. I have seen her insult Chunky and Piggit, and I’m sure I’ve read one or two of her posts where she even levies her accusations toward the admin.

So what’s changed suddenly? Suddenly it seems, Deidre’s vitriol at the slights or perceived slights she receives from the mods can no longer be ignored, but are considered a threat? Because she’s posting her accusations more than at any other time up to this past week?

If you are seriously looking at events since the new mods were named (and for the record, I do not have a problem with any of the mods), then you really do have to look at specific posts made before and during that time:

I’m not sure who it was that suddenly started referring to Deidre using ‘he’, or ‘he/she’, but I am almost certain it was one of the mods; it would, I think, be easier for someone other than a mere member to go hunt out that first reference and have a quiet word in their lug hole, because I’ve since noticed certain people have jumped on that, and have started using it frequently. The male-slanted reference wouldn’t have made any difference at all, had it been posted by, say, me. Because I’m not a mod, I don’t know nor care if D is male/female or anything in between. I’m not asking that the mod in question be publicly vilified or hung, I’m only merely pointing out that D should not stand alone under this scrutiny.

Of course, since this he/she thing started and members picked up on it, there have suddenly been references to how D ‘appears to be male’ in her posting style. All of a sudden. After being here for two years, she’s suddenly changed her sex because of a (I’m sure), slip up on the part of someone.

And that brings me rather neatly to the more recent history of slip-ups. And, unfortunately, it was Shake himself who slipped up (but let’s not forget that he may have made a minor misjudgement in how posts by mods are seen, and how their word may be perceived as being ‘truer’ than anyone else’s, for no other reason than that he is now a mod):

He said to D79, on 18/07/2010:

Unfortunately, once setting the cat among the pigeons, he did not rescind his rather loaded question, inferring that D79 had more than one account (which she used to 'show herself support'?), nor did he post that D79 had no other accounts (something which I’ve read on at least one or two occasions in the past when she’s asked for clarification from Chunky and Piggit, and which they’ve backed her up that ‘to the best of their knowledge, D79 does not have another/sock account).

This one fact on its own would not matter much however, were it not then picked up by at least one other member (repeatedly), who started calling every nearly unheard of member who posted in D79’s defence/in her support, her sock!

I bring these to your attention, not to point an accusatory finger at anyone, be they mod or merely member, but to highlight the fact that, were it not for some comments, which on reflection, perhaps would have been left uncommented, maybe you wouldn’t have had to make your ultimatum.

NB: What I said at the end of my last post in this thread? It still stands

NNB: I may well post this repeatedly in all threads concerning Deidre79, just in case anyone, especially Nophest, misses it!!

That is all, carry on the bunfight :neutral:

 

As usual stumbler, your way over-reaching conclusions demonstrate how you project your own opinion unto other peoples replies.

I don't know all the facts but I haven't seen anyone but you say that "...the mods are a bunch of prideful, liars, conducting a behind the scenes conspiracy against the poor innocent Deidre79 because she criticized them." No one is saying that but you, and I don't think anyone here believes that!

my impression is that deidre is being banned because she has accused the moderators of being unfair. SHE HAS A RIGHT TO DO THAT IF THAT IS WHAT SHE FEELS!!! If she is wrong that can be the subject of the tread until it is sorted out. If xnxx tries to discourage complaints about the mods by banning anyone that criticizes them, then that is going to change everyone's perception of this site and may chase away some of it's best people. Why would the site want to do that?

I've had contact with most of the mods mentioned here, though I didn't know they were mods at the time. All with the exception of SZ have been very gracious and helpful people that have made me feel very welcomed. I wish all the people here were more like them, with the exception of SZ. I have no idea why deidre would consider them unfair but I also think that the mods I know are very strong people that are very capable of holding their own. I've never seen them dump on anyone and that's because they are smart enough to know that when someone says something very stupid it is noticed by the other members and it is the one saying the stupid thing that looses face and reputation.

When I learned that SZ was made a moderator I almost fell off my chair. How the hell did that happen??? This guy is one of the most disliked, most profane, hardheaded, insulting and full of himself people on the site. He has been deidre's most vocal critic and has said some very vial things about her. Making him a moderator while banning deidre seems to indicate that there may indeed be some disproportionate judgments being made on this site. If I were the owner of xnxx I would avoid giving that impression like the plague. After all, this site relies on tolerance and fair treatment for its very survival. The funny thing is that if this site ever came under attack, deidre79 would be one of its strongest and most vocal supporters.

Let me get back to my point. My point is that free expression of opinions is vital to this site but if anyone goes too far they should be warned with a clear explanation of why they are being warned, not just summarily banned. That is what would be considered fair by most of the people who object to this ban. Anything else would leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

And you stumble, who ask for fair treatment and forgiveness for the blunders that others have made... should understand this better than anyone else.

HD

 

This is a private place - she does not, in fact, have any rights whatsoever except those bestowed by the owner - who may, at any time and for any reason, rescind them.

Of course, the other participants may choose to spend their time elsewhere and this private site risks the loss of traffic, and therefore, potential business. But none of these choices could be construed in any way as "rights". Sorry.

 

THIS IS NOT PRIVATE if on the internet it is public, awhile back it was brought up about free speach, say what you want,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

I think you misunderstand the use of the terms - the site itself resides on the 'public' internet, yes - but no one has any "rights" to enter or participate unless allowed by the ongoing blessing of the owner.

In your viewpoint, I could go into any house in my neighborhood and do or say whatever I wanted because the residence is connected to a public street. Even if the owner left the door wide open with a sign on it saying, 'come on in!' my "rights" end at the doorway - from there the owner has complete and total rights, I am only a guest.

See the difference?

 

Well, you can all stop the fighting-DD has been banned...
I can't help but wonder how many others will leave???
I would bet not too many...

 

I started out saying I'm not sure what you're getting at so I don't see how that can be construed as over reaching.

OK now this is completely fair Hardrive. You have every right to know what I am basing those accusations on.

Here is King Nothing op in his thread:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3143711&postcount=1

Here's Tenguy alleging there is something suspicious about PM's ShakeZula sent to me and Arizel.

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3143095&postcount=495

Here's Piggit trying to explain her position and offer another possibility.

And here's tenguy still trying to cast doubt:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3143126&postcount=502

Piggit replies:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3143142&postcount=503

To which Tenguy responds:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3143162&postcount=507

Right there tenguy is implying there's a conspiracy involving ShakeZula unduly influencing AZ and I and discriminating against Deidre79.

And later tenguy claims he sent PMs to all the mods because one of the "poll" threads.

Chunky simply says he did not receive the PM:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3144260&postcount=586

And tenguy responds:

(and attaches this to the post)

Recipients: chunky, ejls, piggit, ShakeZula
https://forum.xnxx.com/images/statusi...x/post_old.gif 07-18-2010, 10:03 PM tenguy
Porn Star

https://forum.xnxx.com/image.php?u=11...ine=1204652553

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Middle Tennessee
Age: 72
Posts: 16,417

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3144291&postcount=590

And tenguy continues the attack on ShakeZula's credibility:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=3144315&postcount=599

That's what I'm basing my conclusion that King Nothing and tenguy are saying the mods are prideful and vindictive and there was some kind of mod conspiracy to get Deidre76 banned.

The mods, all four of them, have said they had nothing to do with Deidre79 getting banned and didn't know in advance that Nophest was going to take action.

Yet King Nothing and tenguy contend otherwise.

I strongly disagree that anyone has a right to falsely accuse anyone else. In fact in most settings that is against the law. In Deidre79's case she/he/it accused the mods of discriminating against her and showing favoritism to others.

First I sure have not found anyone on this forum yet who says they've seen the mods discriminate against Deidre79 or anyone else. And false claims do harm both the personal credibility of the mods and the overall credibility of the forum.

Should anyone stand by and watch hardworking innocent people be falsely accused?

And right here Hardrive I think you actually illustrate the real damage I'm talking about. There is a thread to sort it out. Nophest posted it himself. He was quite clear. If the mods on this site were discriminating against Deidre79 he would ban them. If not he was going to ban Deidre79.

And then Nophest did exactly what you just did to me. Asked Deidre79 to give him the evidence of what she/he/it was basing those charges on. Deidre79 instead just repeated the charges.

But you and others have turned this around to somehow Diedre79 getting banned for criticizing the mods when nothing is further from the truth.

If just criticizing the mods got someone banned on this forum I would have been gone long ago. I've criticized them. I've fought with them. And I've seen lots of other people do the same. No one has ever been banned for just criticizing the mods including Deidre79.

Hardrive I think this is a very unjust thing to say. Because the mods, especially Chunky and Piggit have already been rising above Deidre79's false accusations and other attacks for more than a year.

What you appear to be saying to me is that the mods should be expected to put up with Deidre's attacks and false accusations and Deidre should be free to just keep attacking them.

I can not understand why the people on this forum should allow the moderators to be falsely accused of discriminating, showing favoritism and now conspiring against Deidre79, and also continue to put up the unwarrented and completely baseless attacks.

Hey they're strong people. Let the members kick them around and falsely accuse them of what ever they want. How much abuse should we expect them to take? Well we can't know by the first kick, or the second one, or the third one. You're mods shut the fuck up and take it.

No I can't go with that kind of line of thought. I think the mods on this forum have proven themselves fair and honest so many times and done such an admirable job they deserve our support and protection from unjust abuise.

What you're saying is true. But I have two questions. Does any of that mean ShakeZula cannot be fair and balanced?

And is it the right thing to do to condemn ShakeZula in advance or at least wait and see what kind of mod he turns out to be?

Again the credibility of the mods, and administration comes into question because ShakeZula was selected as a mod and Deidre went ballistic? Once again pressing her/his/its charges of Discrimination and favoritism.

I see no disproportionate judgments. They are totally unconnected. What does the selection of ShakeZula have to do with Deidre79 once again falsely claiming, as she/he/it has done multiple times, that she/he/it was the victim of discrimination at the hands of Chunky and Piggit. Deidre79 has been making her false charge of discrimination for more than a year. And I don't know but I suspect Nophest picked up on in the thread announcing the mod selection.

But again all of a sudden the credibility of the mods, the administration and this forum is called into question.

I think the way nophest handled this was very clear and up front and simple. He is not going to put up with moderators discriminating against some members and showing favoritism to others and he will also not stand for them falsely accused.

I think those are more than sound and logical business decisions. I admire Nophest for taking a stand.

I'm not really concerned with second guessing Nophest's decision on how to handle this although I do generally agree with especially after what's happened now.

What I care about is the false accusations and innuendos that the mods on this forum have ever discriminated against some members and showed favoritism to others.

And I honestly believe that is just so simple to see by our own experiences that the moderators have been fair and even handed with all members.

I think it is cowardice if you actually know that but would allow people to try and claim otherwise.

When did I do this Hardrive? What are you referring to?