I used the thesaurus to prove you are splitting hairs on definitions that are interchangeable.

Just another one of your personal pissing contests inventing arguments that do not exist and have no practical applications even if they did.

 

Did you even read the reason for my posts? Are you going off half-cocked again?

To begin with, since my first civic lessons in the 40's the US was referred to as a republic, not a democracy. The term republic was in my life through primary and secondary schools and through college. In the 60's there was a great war resistance, at that time the term "representative democracy" began to creep into the media. Many scholars rejected the term as an oxymoron, a democracy did not need representatives whereas a republic did require them.

Today, your buddy DL made the idiotic comment (as he is wont to do) that the republicans were trying to change what the US calls it's form of government from democracy to republic. Thus my responses.

Now if you want to take issue with something, try to look at the term for it's true meaning, not what it is similar to.

 

I didn't say there was no difference between the two definitions. I said they are not mutually exclusive. By all but the most narrow of definitions, the United States is both a republic and a democracy. Where, in the definition of "democracy" you posted, does it say that elected officials are required to do the bidding of their constituents? The reference to "majority rule" refers to the ELECTION of those representatives.

 

If you read the studies by the scholars, they do not make that distinction.

But this whole argument is so foolish. In answering DL charge about the Republicans trying to change the term relating to our form of government from democracy to republic, I was merely point out that the opposite were true, he was trying to change the term to democracy.

Then ensued your posts on the thought that they were the same, then Stumbles blunders in citing a fucking thesaurus of all things. This whole thing is a lot to do about nothing.

 

The whole argument makes me angry, because it ALWAYS emanates from conservatives, and I don't trust their motives.

The fact remains, the definitions in the dictionary, and even those you cited, do NOT make the distinction you're trying to make. You haven't been able to show me where they do.

The definitions of democracy, though, clearly DO apply to the U.S. system of government, even though the founding fathers didn't describe it in those terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

 

Works. I was afraid they were going to try to make it a religious thing. Civil rights based actions will make this entire thing neater and easier.

 

I'm more in favor of a more generic term like civil unions for gays.
Marriage is a more traditional term for a union between opposite sexes.

 

So I'm a sexual deviant??? Laws should apply the same to everyone, whether straight or homosexual!!!
These laws are laws of man, made by man, and we should all be treated equal, and not discriminated against for race, gender or sexual orientation!!! No more then we should make laws against obese people!!!

If the laws weren't different for married and single people then marriage wouldn't be needed, but since they are, everyone should have the legal right to marry!!!

 

What the fuck are you talking about, you're angry because it eminates from conservatives.

What emanates? Because DL makes a hair across his ass statement that is totally false?


Get a grip Kimi, you've od'd on liberalism.

 

There is such a thing as discrimination of the majority. To single out a group of people and give them different rights is not justifiable by popular will. I believed it was the "will of the people" in Nazi Germany to strip Jews of their rights... didnt make it right.

 

You need to know why I'll never align myself with a political party. You fucking Republicans and Democrats are crazy. You label everything that you disagree with as a right of left wing conspiracy. You are so paranoid that the other guys gains an ounce of traction that you react to the most idiotic stimulus.


Just today their was a fairly nice discussion on what happened with Prop 8 in CA. Here I am an avowed conservative agreeing with the judge. All of a sudden out of left field comes DL complaining that the Republicans want to change the description of our government from democracy to republican. Where the fuck did this come from?

So I being the stickler for correct term usage explain that we, for the years I have been alive, have been described as a republic and that whoever said that we were was correct.

The next thing I have Kimi and Stumbler falling all over themselves denying such a blasphemous thing. First Kimi says the term are synonymous, then she backtracks saying that the differences are subtle. Now she is saying it's always the right wings fault.

WTF!

What is wrong with you people? Why is this such an issue with you? Are you somehow afraid that someone might get the idea that if this is a republic, the Republican can claim ownership?

You people are fucking nuts.

 

I'm not sure what's worse-political nuts or religious nuts!

 

Well of course we're a Republic. A Democratic Republic.
That's one of the reasons that Jefferson had called his Party the Democratic Republicans.
The extremists on both sides of the aisle are the real problem.

What's worse is when they combine the two. (shudders)

 

And you continue to misrepresent what other people say. I never said that the two were synonymous, and I never said the differences were subtle. I said you were wrong.

But YOU were the one that introduced the whole argument, so stop complaining.

 

You know what tenguy speaking from some experience bullshit you phony mother fucker. You're the one who can't hardly discuss anything without derailing it into a personal pissing contests over trivial bullshit and just keep it up for days.

What the fuck does a republic or a democracy have to do with Proposition 8? Not a fucking thing. The last true democracies disappeared with the Greeks as far as I know. But just because "democracy" and "republic" have become synonymous in common usage you'll sure as fuck derail this discussion.

And the reason you'll try to derail that discussion is because its always got to get personal with you and because it just keeps coming back to your conservatism being nothing but a fucking lie as it is preached and practiced in this nation, and you'd rather talk about anything else but that.

 

The United States is a republic and a representative democracy. It gets tiresome to keep pointing this out. 8-((

 

You know I had forgotten about the other Same-Sex marriage issue that was already headed to the supreme court which was when another federal judge ruled the Defense of Marriage Act illegal.

I can agree with those who contend this double barreled approach is going to make it very unlikely that any prohibitions against same-sex marriage will be standing when they are done.

Here's a look at some of the strategy advocates for same-sex marriage think they have for success.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/06/supreme-double-rainbow-tw_n_673653.html

 

YEAH,,YEAH....The people voted to ban gay marriage,in the state then the federal judge gets involved and rules against the majority of the people,,why is this surprising.

 

Basically,,on opinions.

 

Hey Ace, what about if the election were held today? Would California voters still approve the ban? And if they didn't would you still be arguing against same sex marriage?