Taliban r not only threat to west but to pakistan as well, when war was started people of pakistan supported talibans, now situation is changed especialy after sucide attacks on shrines, mosques and public places, thats the reason Pak army won battle against them, but still there is a lot more to do, and top most is cross border smugling of arms and ammunation either from Afghanistan or Iran.

 

This is really important because the US can't do much about the Taliban in Afghanistan unless Pakistan helps and fully recognize the Pakistani Military has been waging an effective and deadly war against the Taliban.

But I can see your point on the weapons smuggling and am betting that's almost impossible to stop. Especially when we put pressure on the Afghan border only to have Iran re-arm the insurgents.

Where does Iran really stand on this; do you know? Are Iran and Pakistan friendly?

And the most important question at all: Do you have any hope of what we're doing in Afghanistan working?

 

Sorry I don't respond often just needed to add

The Taliban was Pakistan’s monster to begin with; we supplied them and trained them to fight Pakistan’s proxy war in Afghanistan. Truth be told Pakistan is still supplying them with Intel and funds while still fighting them in the hills of Waziristan. In addition, if we must follow all the new Intel leaks from wiki leaks then the ISI is still up to its old tricks of preserving a valuable resource, while the Army is trying to destroy them.

Stumbler asked a simple question as to whom controls Pakistan's intelligence service depends on which one you look at they have 3 apparently but the one is question (ISI) is under military oversight. This is quite unlike the Canadian/US system of it having civilian oversight and thus being responsible to the public in the end (thus, why our organizations always seem to get the short end of the stick when something goes wrong). Pakistan’s is governed by the military and thus is only responsible to the president and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

If we look at it from a Taliban point of view, they now have twice the amount of funding coming, from their creators (Pakistanis ISI), and an unconventional ally in Iran(an enemy of my enemy is my friend/enemy still). I do not even want to think about the possible tomfoolery that the Russians might be up too but then again they still have their own issues to deal with as well.

I looked into the resolution regarding Kashmir and found it quite fascinating to read. Did you know that the first requirement before India removes it forces is for Pakistan to remove all tribesmen & non-residential Pakistani's from the region who are fighting and to not supply and fund (furnishing of material aid) to those fighting in the state of Jammu and Kashmir? They listed out a full list of things to be done in a specific order for Kashmir’s to determine their own future. In addition, no one has fully followed the criteria laid out by the UN since 1947 (This would not be the first time I might add unless some Major power was involved in it). Here the link to the full document and the section I was pertaining to was under Page 4 under recommendations.

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/047/72/IMG/NR004772.pdf?OpenElement

Ether way I am digressing from the issue of aid & reconstruction, and I fear that Pakistan will not receive the aid it needs to fix this mess. We have shown repeatedly that our politicians cannot be trusted (Just Check how the aid in the 2005 earthquake was spent).

What this is boiling down to is the political cultural in Pakistan/India, Sri Lanka will work against us. The Corruption on both sides of the boarder is Criminal, the Racial/religious Politics are what is destroying us, and we do not seem to care.

We are living in a world where a fair number of minor/major powers are working hard together to make things better for their collective group. The Europeans have their Union, North America with its Free Trade Act, and Numerous Defense/Intelligence Alliances, Africa with its African Union (we can all joke about that at a later time, but think about it one of the poorest continents still sees the value of a unified alliance structure). What do we have? Numerous OUTSIDER alliances with nations that are really only interested in our wealth (Look at the Arms Deals, that Pakistan has signed with America/China, And India's With Russia), who really don't care for the well being of the Indian people (everyone loves cheap IT labor but what about the people of Bhopal?) and have their own agenda to push.

I find it humorous that public support for the Taliban has change. Public support for the Contras of Nicaragua did not even exist, yet the CIA still keep them around as a valuable resource. What I fear is this will happen with the Taliban as well. The public will hate them, dislike them, hunt them down, but they will be kept as a tool in ether the Mountains of Pakistan or Afghanistan proper once NATO starts pulling out.

I, as a Canadian, fear the outcome in Afghanistan, we fought and bleed and died in a country that will not change. That REFUSES to Change. No Empire has been able to tame Afghanistan, From the Moguls who butchered whole populations to the Russians who surprisingly enough butchered whole populations. We come in with our ideals thinking it will change their world that we are "right" and everything they do and believe in is "wrong.” Yes, what they do is morally wrong to me, I would never follow their path or preach it, but we cannot destroy their ideas all we can do is change it with time. Some people may charge: "What good are your ideals if you’re not willing to fight?” I charge: "I am fighting WITH my ideals all the time" and I know I cannot win over the people who refer to us as RAG HEADS and our own selfishness. We can only start change with actions, we must stop rewarding those who follow actions we cannot agree with (I have serious issues with China's Labor laws and policy but economic interest ARE more important than the rights and liberties of people going by our actions of course). Change takes time and commitment, and we do not want to commit the time necessary to change Afghanistan. The British where willing to commit the time (they had Afghanistan for close to 50 years) and could not change that country. Knowing this, they could not change Afghanistan, the North West Frontier was manned by Punjab, Sheiks and Bangles, Indians and Englishman.

All I am asking for is for Indians to understand and work with each other better to start trusting those who are the same people. Canada/Britain/US have done it and have fought each other as well, it took them close to a century of Hostility to reach a peaceful understanding with each other and they are all brothers. Must we as Indians wait another 40 years before we start seeing the virtues of cooperation as well?

Ether way that’s my lunch hour I have so much more I would love to add but that will be for when I get home I guess.

 

Thanks again for your input on this. I really do see this as a possible turning point but not without getting all the parties involved in some kind of agreement which would of course include such different demographics as India and Iran.

But I firmly believe there must be some way of solving problems short of killing each other.

 

my sincer opinion is there is no need to fight with Afghan, i have no idea why american and canadian govt spending billions of dolloars on those drug dealers and war lords. in my opinion western countries rather than burning billions of dollors in war should tightin up security system at home, and its cheaper as well.

 

we can not bring peace to South-Asia without:
1-Resolving Kashmir problem
2-hardocre politicians in India ( BJP & Baal Thakiuray etc) must accept the reality of Pakistan, as Pakistan accepted Bangladesh and we never went into proxy things with Bangladesh to get it back.

 

7 September 2010

Curfew imposed as civilians are shot dead in Kashmir-BBC News, Srinagar

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11211146

A curfew has been imposed in Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian-administered Kashmir, after four civilians were shot dead on Monday.

Unofficial curfews have also been imposed in three other towns.
The city remains tense following the shootings in Pattan, 27km (16.7 miles) north of the capital despite the impending Muslin Eid holiday.
Sixty-nine people have now been killed during anti-India protests over the last three months.
All but four of them have either been shot or beaten to death by the police and Indian paramilitaries.
'Draconian laws'
A police officer confirming the latest deaths told the BBC that guards of a provincial police chief opened fire after protesters pelted his motorcade with stones.
The Kashmir valley has witnessed widespread anti-India demonstrations since mid-June.
Separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani - who has been put under house arrest - on Monday repeated five key demands which he said were necessary to stop the protests.
These include:

• Recognition by Delhi that Kashmir is an "international dispute"
• The "demilitarisation" of Kashmir
• The release of "political prisoners",
• The withdrawal of "draconian laws" such the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA)
• The punishment of soldiers involved in the killings

The Indian government has still to respond to Mr Geelani's demands.

 

Eid Day Demonstration around Kashmir

1/2
Kashmiries protesting against indian occupation.

 

Eid Day Protest against India

2/2
Protestors raised Pakistani Flag at Lal Chowk Sirinager.

 

Eid Day Protest against India in Kashmir

Last Part (Pictures are taken from BBC Urdu Service website)
Freedom for Kashmir is the only option for India.

 

another 18 killed by Indian army in 2 days

Indian occupied army killed another 18 protestors, including a 13 year old boy and a female.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/09/13/india.kashmir.violence/index.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11293896

GO INDIA GO BACK

 

Three killed as Kashmiri protesters defy curfew

Three killed as Kashmiri protesters defy curfew
17 September 2010
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11339576

what local people feels about it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11296951

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8400176.stm

 

BBC web page

BBC indepth reporting on Kashmir dispute:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/south_asia/2002/kashmir_flashpoint/default.stm

 

thn wht the fuck kashmri make run kashmari pandits...

 

all muslims in kashmir ,kill nd made kashmari pandits homeless.as muslims strength increase,they now want freedom....you can not get freedom bez PAKISTAN will dominate u....is not fair only muslim community to deside whether they want to go n pakistan or INDIA....kashmeri hindus should had right ,but muslims kill all hindus with supports off PAKISTAN

 

KASHMIR BELONGS TO INDIA....

 

I think that is a decision for the people of Kashmir.

 

ask Kashmiries about it..what they want?
just ask them once under UNO Resolution!

 

27th October

‎27th October.. This was the day when India Occupied Kashmir... All the Pakistanis and Kashmirs remember this day as "Black Day"

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/index.html

37 current wars

27 of them have a common denominator.

I'll give a peanut MnM to the first person who can name that common denominator.