You don't get it... Blacks are not the only ethnic group where high crime rates prevail. You, DL and CH4 all ignore this. Furthermore, the high crime rates are the effects on these ethnic groups, not the cause.

No, I am not supporting DL, you and CH4 who claim that blacks are to blame for all of the violent crimes that exist. It's an assumption made to justify racism.

Responsibility does lie with the minorities but if they aren't given the opportunity it makes no difference how hard they work. Society has to make it possible for minorities to succeed when they work hard.

 

Bullshit... You're gunning for blacks racially. This is the reason why you don't want to discuss hispanics.

Yeah, bringing hispanics into the equation means another ethnic group shares the responsibility. This fucks up your justification for racism against blacks because they are not solely responsible for all the violent crime.

Wow...

 

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Being black/hispanic is NOT part of the reason for poverty and crime...

lol Noticed you finally added hispanic...

Carry on!

 

You need to stop, your conspiratorial statements are getting out of control and I do not appreciate being called a racist because some lilliputian has no better argument than mud slinging. I did not bring Hispanics into the discussion because when I entered the discussion it was about blacks. Can you not comprehend that? It seems rather simple. Would you have preferred I ran in and said, "Hey, it's not just blacks that are dangerous! It's hispanics too!" Tell me how expanding the target makes things any better for anyone? Foolishness.

You're happy that two races get trashed now instead of one? And you're the good guy in this discussion? I cannot even comprehend such stupidity.

 

Wrong.

 

Oh, lilliputian - huh? I'm a little person compared to what? A big old bigot such as yourself... Nah, the bigot is the lilliputian - hands down.

Well, you said it all in just a few words when you said being black is part of the problem... It's not true at all. What society does to people who are black is part of the problem and this is what you, CH4 and DL won't accept.

A child is born black, white, purple, ..., etc. What is afforded to that child with respect to opportunities will determine what that child becomes. With this said, society creates it's own criminals.

DL's facts only show the appalling results of one ethnic groups not given the opportunity to succeed if they work hard. Racist, I don't know if you are or aren't but saying being black is part of the problem is a racist comment.

I'm done with this discussion... Carry on!

 

It is not enough to be given an opportunity. One must have the talent to take advantage of that opportunity. Blacks are discriminated in favor of through affirmative action programs.

 

Yawn. The black community must be held at least partially responsible for it's behavior. Don't you think? To blame everything on white people, pretending they are creating conspiracies to hold the black man down is actually in and of itself racist, just in the other direction. I'm such sure irony is lost on you. Your intelligence seems to end at calling someone a racist and running away.

 

Well, I will say that affirmative action has been abused in certain ways and in those cases what you are saying is correct. Overall, no - affirmative action is not reverse discrimination rather it forces equality.

The original purpose of affirmitive action was as follows:

"Affirmative action is the set of public policies and initiatives designed to help eliminate past and present discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, is under attack."

You see, if it is used the ensure that women, blacks, ..., etc. have the right to vote, have equal protection under the law, ..., etc. then it is not being abused and there is no reverse discrimination. If, on the other hand - college admissions officers are accepting applicants who are say black over whites for the sole purpose of meeting a government imposed quota then it is being abused and yes - reverse discrimination is alive and well.

Oh, come on - DL... Have the talent to take advantage of the opportunity? Have the talent to take advantage of the opportunity to vote? Seriously... WTF??

Ref: http://www.now.org/nnt/08-95/affirmhs.html

 

Umm... conspiracies? That's your word, not mine... Anyway, who said anything about accountability for ones own actions? I'm talking about having equal rights such as voting, protection under the law, ..., etc.

 

too much senseless violence and hatred no matter where you live...and it doesn't seem like it will get better any time soon.. what for?? is anyone ever going to be better off because of it????

 

Ah, well - I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly on this... Nice to meet you

 

DL this one's for you

Doggo I've seen you bleat on and on about black people being the root of all the crime and their low intelligence, you have all the statistics and your own idea to why it is so. Post after endless post you've told us about how violent it is in your own neighbourhood, how you've been attacked and carry capsicum spray and are now thinking of getting a gun.

However there's one thing I haven't noticed from you, where's the posts about how you'd go about fixing the problem.

Why don't you get out from behind your computer and make contact with the elders of your community as I'm sure they're also pissed with violence.

I've seen on many docos from the US that if the youth of under privledged areas like yours are given a chance or an alternative to crime then some of them will jump at it. It only takes one to show the rest that violence and crime isn't the be all and end all to living.

Doggo, you do have intelligence, though in my opinion some of your ideas are fucked up. Why don't you use your intelligence in a positive way instead of your usual negatives....be pro-active in your community and make a change for the good.

 

My obligation is to myself, my friends, and my relatives. Since the inauguration of the War on Poverty forty-six years ago expensive programs by the U.S. government have failed to cause most blacks to perform and behave as well as most whites. Indeed, since 1964 black crime, illegitimacy, and welfare dependency have increased. There have been moderate improvements in academic performance, but they ceased during the early 1990's. The No Child Left Behind programs are not reducing the performance gap, but they are drawing attention to it.

Because of my limited resources I doubt I can help the ghetto thugs in my neighborhood behave like responsible and civilized human beings. The best way I can help my community would be to get several of them arrested and sent to prison, or perhaps kill several myself through justifiable homicide.

I really want to buy a Glock 26 9 mm sub compact pistol.
http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htm
and get a permit to carry it.

Beyond defending myself, my relatives, and my friends, I care about people I am able to identify with. Members of the black underclass are not these people. If there was a community of Jewish or Oriental immigrants in my neighborhood who were threatened by the ghetto thugs, I could see helping them to organize a organization for self defense.

 

I find amusement in you naivety, do you think he will change his mind, put down his racist tendencies and help people who he fears and despises.

 

Affirmative action has nothing to do with having the right to vote or having equal protection under the law. You are confusing affirmative action and civil rights. I think you should stick Ukrainian politics. Affirmative action means giving a job to a black man instead of a white man even though the white man scored higher on tests, because you believe the black man was under privileged thanks to the system and therefore his low score should count for more. Affirmative action is simply a useful term for the precipice of white male guilt.

Honestly? That is not affirmative action being abused, that is exactly what affirmative action is intended to be. You don't even have a conceptual understanding of the policy you're speaking on.

 

So the people who live in the black "underclass" ghetto, who strive to survive are good and do their best to improve their lot in life do not deserve you help, but those in your favourites box do.
Every day you paint a bigger picture of your racist views, I am not saying that the black area is not crime ridden but you with the mentality of they are beyond help do not make the situation any better.
Go get your gun, I doubt you would have the confidence to use it, just realise what happens when you squeeze that trigger, it is not a video game where it all jumps back to the last save point.

 

WTF, Dante?? I gave a reference in my post. It's one of many out there. I'm not wrong. In fact, it is YOU who is wrong. Again, check the reference... Sheesh

 

No Rich I'm not naive, I knew exactly what his repsonse would be, I just wanted to see what shit doggo would come out with.

Get your glock doggo and get your head blown off, and then you can become part of your own statistics.

 

You seem like such a nice person but you honestly haven't the slightest about this issue. This is the problem with googling something and speaking like an expert. What you linked was an article on the Origins of Affirmative Action, in other words, what laws were stepping stones towards affirmative action, not laws that are part of affirmative action(considering it did not exist until long after many of those laws were passed).

If you want a simple definition, here it is: "“Affirmative action” means positive steps taken to increase the representation of women and minorities in areas of employment, education, and business from which they have been historically excluded. When those steps involve preferential selection—selection on the basis of race, gender, or ethnicity—affirmative action generates intense controversy."

Affirmative action has nothing to do with the right to vote, that is an entirely separate part of law. You are confusing the act of affirmative action passed in 1965, with the term of affirmative action, which is part of the civil rights language. They have nothing in common.