Ok First of all, I noticed two things in your comments. First post, "Automatic Weapons" became Assault weapons in the Second. Now given that KYDAVE is absolutely nuts, I can understand your reaction, however you are writing based on gross missinformation.

In the US you may not buy or sell Military grade Weaponry without being the holder of a Federaly issued firearms license or pass allowing you to do so. To get this you have to spend between 500 to a 1000 bucks or more and then undergo a 6month plus backround investigation. Only after you do that may you buy a select fire or automatic weapon, weapons with short barrels (Under 16inches for rifles, 18 for shotguns), so forth and such.

There is a Common desire from a lot of people to classify the semiautomatic, one shot from a single trigger pull, legal firearms as "Assault Weapons". This is because Assault weapon is the classification of small caliber, select fire (Single, 3 round burst, fully automatic, or any combo of the three) weapons used by the military. These same people also show pictures of fully automatic weapons firing during news broadcasts, even when it was only Semi-automatics involved. It is nothing more than subliminal messaging.

As for the issue of the second ammendment. No, it is not about profits. You put it perfectly. You feel the 2nd amendment is antiquated.. That may be so, but it is still a right and as such protected by the constitution. Because it is a right, It cannot simply be tossed aside because some people feel it is "Antiquated", or no longer needed. You stated how some people here fight tooth and nail for it.. It's no different than how the Adult Entertainment industry has had to fight to keep their first ammendment rights to publish what they do.

Now as for Guns causing Crime, That has been researched and proven false. Since Concealed Carry has been adopted, each state that has adopted it has noticed a steady decline in crimes such as rape, armed/aggrivated assault, muggings, home burglary, armed robbery, and many other crimes. Lets face it. A criminal picks a target based on who they think would be easy to take what they want from. They don't want to get shot. The idea of Dying at the hands of their victims makes the majority of the ones that see a firearm turn tail and run.

I am a big proponent of Women especially carrying concealed. Guns aren't the problem. Our justice system is the problem. If a serial rapist who attacks and rapes 3 women in broad daylight can go to jail and be out on parol in 3 years to do it again, then I think a woman should have the right to protect herself with deadly force. If you want to know more about some of the research, Send me a private PM. I would be glad to offer it.

 

I know that Book. John Lott and Gary Kleck are the two other names everyone should know. But yes, As proof to your statement, You only have to look back to washington DC in the 60's. 3 women shared an appartment, and someone broke in and started raping the one downstairs. The two friends called the police who sent a cruiser. When the cruiser did show up, it simply rolled past the house looking at it to see if anything seemed out of place, then drove off. The two ran downstairs to try and call it back, and all three were assaulted and raped for the next few hours.

The women later sued the city, but lost because the judge ruled that Police are only there to protect society, not individuals.. An officer could legally stand by and watch till after the crime was committed and then arrest a criminal afterwards.. The judge then told them that their own personal safety was their own responsibility, and the women were advised to aquire a firearm. A year later, the City banned all handguns and required other firearms be kept stored in an unuseable matter, making them totally useless for self defense.

 

You forgot bare hands, rocks and sticks picked up off the ground, household chemicals used as poisons. Stuff like that. One weapon many people often overlook is a simple pencil, which can be used to stab and kill fairly easily.

 

And with that attitude,I don't think we would want you here either.We have too many NUTS like you here already.So therefore,STAY HOME.

 

Certain things

Well KYDAVE, Some of your language, IE words used towards certain people, and I don't mean political associations. There was no call for one of your statements containing certain racial denotations. Doing so Only opens yourself up to get attacked personally, instead of your argument(Using Facts).

What you did point out about things though has for the most part been correct. Also, Some of the things I pointed out about how people can get automatic weapons here, after going through all that they are the most exemplary citizens in the country. If you come accross trashing people verbally, instead of simply just stating the facts, That is why people like the guy from canada can come off hearing you state facts, and simply call you a crazy angry person. To simplify things, don't give them the ammo.

 

People like the OP are the REASON there needs to be stricter gun control legislation.

As well as the automatic and immediate death penalty for anyone who is found in possession of an illegal weapon ("illegal" should read: ANY automatic or assault weapon and or/ any unlicensed weapon)

 

Ok, First off the terms automatic, and assault when describing weapons are the same thing. However I think you are trying to point to semi-automatic firearms that resemble military firearms. The Idea that a weapon should be made illegal Simply by how it looks, or if it has one more feature that does not affect how the weapon functions than someone thinks it should have, is nothing but pure fallacy.

For your information, Fully Automatic and select fire weapons have been regulated thouroughly since the 1930's.. They are registered, and when someone who is able to own them does aquire them, the local law enforcement agencies do know about it. Some people who collect firearms and have even only semi-automatic firearms open their doors to those same law enforcement agencies, especially for smaller towns. If they need to get ahold of something more powerful than a sidearm, the private citizen allows them to stop by their house.

An incident very similar to this happened out in california.. The "North Hollywood Shootout". The criminals had and misused fully automatic weapons. The police were outgunned and would have been unable to stop the men had they not gone to a local gunstore and procured several semi-automatic ar-15 style rifles. The same "Assault weapons" that you would like to see people put to death over owning. A Privately owned gunshop which is in business to sell to law abiding citizens, saved the day. Had it not been for that gunstore, many cops might have died that day.

As far as your idea about the Death Penalty though, lets re-write that.. I am assuming that you said that because you felt it would reduce or eliminate crime. Here is a better idea. Make it legal for law abiding citizens to shoot any criminal attempting to use any firearm in an illegal manner. Holding up a convienence store, raping a woman at gunpoint, mugging someone in a back alley. Make it legal and call for average citizens to shoot criminals in defence of themselves and fellow citizens without having to worry about being put on trial to prove their innocence. Do you know what would happen. Illegal use of firearms would drop significantly.

Why is that? It's because criminals do not want to be shot and killed. They have chosen crime as a livelyhood because they do not want to work, they want things easy. $75 bucks in a guys' wallet is not something they would want to get shot and die over. Put yourself in their position. If you knew that if spotted using a gun to commit a crime that you would be getting shot at by law abiding citizens who can kill you and go back to their daily lives, wouldn't you be looking over your shoulder, wouldn't you rethink what you are doing and not take the chance?

That is how you fix things, well.. At least, if your goal was to reduce crime. The only sure way to deterr crime is having such a harsh penalty as just described. 1.5 years of a 10 year jail sentence and out on parole won't cut it. What you Propose based on opinion creats crime, not shrinking it. Lets face it, Most criminals are repeat offenders who have already served jailtime. Your "wonderland" phillophy won't work in the real world, unless what you are trying to achieve is not reducing crime, but reducing and restricting a person's rights.

 

And accidental shootings, especially involving children, sky rocketed.

So did fatal car jackings involving international tourists. Not something Florida wanted to promote.

 

Just Curious, Where did you get your information from? If it came from the VPC, the Brady Campaign, or any doctor or group stemming from the "20 times more likely" proponents, then that information cannot be used as a reliable source. The VPC/Brady Campaign issues Skewed and biased information that is at its best, partial and incomplete so as to favor their points of view. The "20 times" or 4o times for that matter type groups are simply bogus. It was started by a doctor who made up a number saying it was more dangerous to you having a firearm in a househould than it would be if a criminal broke in.

Now, You pointed to Car jackings. I do not see how that corealates to the Concealed carry law, as Concealed carry people get it to deter crimes against themselves or family. Most Car jackers/thiefs are repeat offenders. THis means having been in jail before, they would be unable to aquire handguns legally, and unable to sign up for the classes as it is performed by Law Enforcement. If you want to though, How about we look up the information to see if Increasing illegal immigration over the years has had anything to do with Fatal Car Jackings.

Your Attempt to make Concealed Carry look like it was responsable for the car jackings is laughable at best. AS for Children, accidents involving them come from parents not teaching their children at a young age about firearms safety. I don't mean "Gun bad, No Touch" teaching. The FBI did a study and found that children who were taught firearms safety are about 75% less likely to commit crimes when they grow up, are less likely to have "Accidental deaths" as a result of finding a firearm, because they were taught it's not something to be played with. Feel free to look up any of the other Studies the FBI did on firearms as well.. Like the one about how the Clinton Gun ban did nothing to reduce crime.

Oh yeah, would you please cite your sources from which you posted the last information?

 

One more thing.

By the way stumbler. Before you reply if you do post about where you got your info, I have studied it quite a bit. I even looked into the reports about the "Accidental death" rate caused by states adopting Concealed Carry laws. The actual numbers that you claimed were so alarming.. It equates to about .5 percent on average. The highest that was found came in around .64%. In otherwords, 64/100 of 1 percent.

 

bg86guy

YEAH!!!!! Tell him. when guns are outlawed ONLY outlaws will have guns. I personally would rather have 10,000 guns and NEVER NEED one than need one and NOT have one!

 

What about having 10,000 guns in your house and being shot in the head while your asleep? Or, better still, being awoken with a gun barrell tapping your head and being forced to suck some black guy's cock? With 10,000 guns in your house.

I would love to see that video. (I love gay rape!) :excited:

 

From another thread, a question.

Would you shoot me in the face if I called you a cocksucker ?

You fucking cocksucker.

 

No it came from my own observations from watching the news for a couple years after Florida allowed citizens to carry concealed weapons. Not from any report or anything else. Just watching what happened after they opened concealed carry laws.

Now if I'm wrong about that you can educate me. But that's what I saw.

 

DOCTORS:

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Now think about this: Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188
Statistics courtesy of FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT Almost everyone has at least one doctor. This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be killed bya doctor as by a gun owner!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Out of concern for the public at large, we withheld the statistics on Lawyers For fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!

 

Yes, and not just sadly, but terrifyingly, there was a time when I would have shot you in the head for calling me a cocksucker and carried the means to do that with and would not have hesitated.

That was 280 dog years ago but that was a reality at one time. And if you want to know the truth is the reality now. And I carried my gun and knife illegally. Now we're making carrying guns legal everywhere. I've changed, but I kind of doubt humans have.

 

More people die in hospital than anywhere else. Dangerous places.

 

I have been told by many Americans that cocksucker is the worst insult, so I was suprised when I was told (in another thread) it wasn't so bad.