Actually, if anything, climate change is going to cause a massive drop in sea levels.

The way water works (unlike everything else we've come across) is that it actually expands in volume as it freezes into a solid state. So the melting of the arctic polar cap means the now liquid water is occupying less space than it was before.

On the other end of the planet, the Southern Ocean is warming...which is causing snowfall on the Antarctic. Unlike the arctic, however, the antarctic ice is mostly land bound - so none of that snow makes it back into the sea.

To flood the seas the way some of the more fervent screamers claim would require melting the antarctic ice cap. Actually, the best bet there wouldn't be so much melting the entire thing as it is causing calving on the Ross Ice shelf, but that would require more ice buildup first.

If you doubt what I'm saying, feel free to try a simple at home experiment. Take a 20 oz. soda bottle, and fill it up to about where the neck begins to taper. Mark that line with a marker, then pop it in the freezer. When you come back, the top of the ice should be above the line. (Don't fill the bottle all the way, or it will pop when it freezes.)

 

You guys are all stupid, See, they won't be lookin for clowns.

 

You mean like this?

http://geology.com/nasa/antarctic-ice-sheet-melting.shtml

 

No, more like this:

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...-side-effects-of-global-warming_10095353.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E0DC1439F933A15756C0A9639C8B63

Oddly, one of the common statements in these articles is that one of the reasons the Antarctic has remained so cold is due to the hole in the ozone layer.

Its also one of the reasons why the arctic is apparently seeing record ice growth right after record ice loss. Yeah, the systems are warming up, but it seems to be that they're moving from less static to more dynamic interactions. So instead of the air over the antarctic being too cold to hold moisture, its reaching a point where its now warm enough to support some moisture, gets picked up, carried over the pole, and dropped as snow. Temperatures don't reach the point where it can't melt off, though, so it stays there: land bound, and out of the oceans.

 

i dont care what your political affiliation is. this argument is ridiculous. man-made or not something needs to be done. even if you dont think there is any climate change oil is a finite resource and will be used up eventually. so here's what is the most logical way of looking at all this.

there is no global warning and we keep burning fossil fuels and dont pursue renewable energy. oil and gas prices will climb higher and higher as oil becomes harder to find and drill for. $10 per gallon will not be unusual. so all of you bitching about how its your money and you do what you want with it will feel pretty smart won't you.

there is no climate change but we still start using green tech, renewable fuels, and try our best to cap emissions. we eventually will wean ourselves off oil and not have to rely on unstable countries for our fuel. in the process we create thousands of jobs which will boost our economy helping put people back to work improving the quality of life for everyone.

there is climate change man-made or not and we still start using green tech, renewable fuels. again jobs will be created, we will not have to worry about foreign oil and where it comes from. due to the reduced amount of emissions being spewed into the atmosphere we can slow down or even reverse climate change.

so. it is clear that the argument shouldnt be about whether there is global warming/climate change or not. it should be about how can we implement reliable, renewable energy that in the long run reduces our dependence on foreign oil, creates jobs, and leads us into a future that is easily sustainable

 

All I have to say is that I wish some one would send some of that warming up here, now.

 

Nice theory there FOTL, one tiny problem with it, the ice is not floating, it is on solid ground. When land borne ice melts it adds to the volume of liquid in the sea.

 

HEY DAMMIT.......dont be so greedy..

 

Which is what we're discussing. The Arctic (which isn't landbound but free floating ice) is melting. The Antarctic (which is land bound ice) is actually expanding in size, as the warmer seas make precipitation more likely.

Admittedly, the land bound ice near the arctic is melting as well, but that seems to only account for 1 mm of the 3 mm rise the satellites are detecting. Its not coming from the Antarctic, which is what has people baffled.

 

The largest ice floes in history are breaking off of the Antarctic shelf, they are now water borne. A loss of just 10% of the Antarctic ice will have a disastrous effect on coastal regions. Greenland's ice cover is disappearing rapidly, it is land borne. You are correct that any increase or decrease in water borne ice will have zero effect on the sea levels EXCEPT that the rate of evaporation will increase as the waters warm, which will lead to accelerated climate change.

 

Basically no. We are still coming out of the ice age, human behavior has nothing to do with anything

 

This guy certainly did speak the truth here.

It's too bad though that he was otherwise clearly an asshole.

 

Tenguy, a loss "of just 10% of Antarctic ice" would be 530,000 square miles of ice...or an area roughly 1/7 the size of the United States' combined territory.

I will point out that I am not saying climate change is not a real concern, merely that some of predictions are closer to the "Sky is falling!" rather than realistic approximations.

 

This is exactly correct, and exactly what I have been saying along, climate change is REAL, and it has been since the beginning of time, the rest of it is what I am skeptical about.

 

one more thing. the parts per million of Co2 in the atmosphere today is less that it was millions of years ago, and the temperature was less back in the days when the Co2 levels were higher.

one more thing. the holes in the ozone layer are decreasing.

one more thing. i think i said it before, but the polar caps on mars are melting aswell as ours.

one more thing. those that live in areas prone to flooding by both torrential rain and rising sea levels have been gyped by council approvals. coast lines are never safe, have never been safe, will never be safe. those that live on semi-permanant islands like those in the south pacific, have only been there a few thousand years, some only a few hundred, so for those islands to either sink back into the sea and form atolls or be washed away is completely normal. all it takes is a little tectonic shift to set off a chain reaction.

the links of volcanic activity and climate change are great aswell. Large-scale volcanic activity may last only a few days, but the massive outpouring of gases and ash can influence climate patterns for years. we're still yet to succumb to the damage that big fucker in iceland did to earth last year.

history details change after fuckers like Thera and Pompeii and Krakatoa went ka-fucking-boom

if you want to have a positive influence on the world, / slow down birth rates with restrictions, kill off all religion to break down barriers which halt progression in society, burn down churches and mosques to finish it all off. farm fish over beef, fish is better for you with no ill side effects to th environment, assassinate assholes like mugabe and north korean leaders, oh and dont forget all the other pollies, endoctrinate everyone and destroy culture, destroy planes and cars and houses, everyone grow their own food. go back to the stone age and start fresh.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!


hmmmmmm

 

100% Renewable Energy Achievable By 2030

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/25/100-percent-renewable-ene_n_813256.html

 

Loss is not measured by surface area, but by volume. Perhaps you are wrong about that, the folks in low lying coastal regions and island nations will be the ones who find out first.

 

I found this and automatically thought of you,,how does it make you feel that you are in my thoughts?

good luck.

 

Well, if you want it in volume, then its 848,000 cubic miles of ice. (530,000 square miles times 1.6 mile average depth of the ice.)