The unique ethos of the 1960s was caused by an expanding economy which kept economic issues from becoming zero sum game struggles, and also by the War in Vietnam. This was an issue that negatively impacted intelligent young men who did not want to fight there, their girl friends, and their affluent parents. Since the end of the draft in 1973 there has not been a political issue that gave the best and the brightest such a personal reason to be attracted to left wing politics.

 

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/teabaggers-madison-corporations-shoul
February 21, 2011 02:00 PM Teabaggers In Madison: Corporations Shouldn't Have To Pay Taxes

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By Susie Madrak



From HuffPost's Amanda Terkel on the ground in Madison, Wisconsin, talking to the teabaggers who were bused in by the Koch brothers to Saturday's rally:

Tea Party protesters who showed up in Madison on Saturday want to help Wisconsin dig out of its fiscal hole, but they don't think that corporations should have to chip in.
Gov. Scott Walker (R) has argued that his proposal to strip public employees of virtually all of their collective bargaining rights is necessary in order to deal with the state's tough economic situation.
"I'm just trying to balance my budget," Walker told The New York Times. "To those who say why didn't I negotiate on this? I don't have anything to negotiate with. We don't have anything to give. Like practically every other state in the country, we're broke. And it's time to pay up."
But there is a source of revenue the state isn't tapping that could likely be far more lucrative.
According to the Wisconsin Department of Revenue, two-thirds of corporations in the state pay no taxes, and the share of corporate tax revenue funding the state government has fallen by half since 1981.
Tea Party protesters have been pretty much completely absent from the protests in Madison all week long, but today they were out in force (although still vastly outnumbered by anti-Walker protesters). Many of them pointed out -- and even carried signs underscoring the point -- that they had jobs they couldn't walk away from during the week to come out and protest, as many teachers had done for the past few days.
The Huffington Post asked some of these Tea Partiers if they thought corporations should have to pay taxes in order to help the state financially. All were unaware that this was the case, but they nevertheless said unions were a bigger problem.
"Corporations shouldn't pay taxes at all. That's a terrible idea," said Jay from LaCrosse, who identified as a libertarian and said that businesses would just raise prices and relocate to China if they faced higher taxes.
"No, they pay their taxes. They pay their taxes," said John from Milwaukee, when The Huffington Post asked if it was fair that he was paying taxes and corporations weren't.
Virginia from Ogema said Democrats needed to stop blaming President Bush and corporations for all their problems.
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There are far too many people in this country who lack basic critical thinking skills, and they probably never talk to anyone who disagrees to their faces. Hence, no progress, no actual learning.

Tags: Wisconsin protests

 

It is easier to run against something than for it. During the 2010 election more people were unemployed than when Barack Obama was inaugurated in 2009. This made the Democrat Party vulnerable.

Also in a campaign Republican politicians can always promise tax cuts to be paid for by painless, unspecified spending cuts. Once they get elected, and get specific about those cuts the voters get nervous.

The government reached its present size by popular demand. Every spending program has a powerful constituency to protect it. The largest and most expensive programs are the most popular. Republican politicians have to learn that every decade or two. Republican ideologues never learn.

 

Yes tenguy its an obvious lie and just like Kimiko and I said he conceals what he really intended to do and if he hadn't; if Scott Walker had been standing there telling the truth: Vote for me and I'll bust the public unions he wouldn't have gotten elected.

Just like the phony Republican/Tea Baggers that ran on scare tactics over the terrible deficit without mentioning they intend to cut medicare, medicade and privatize social security.

Once again because had they told the truth they wouldn't have been elected.

 

And you join the pants on fire liars with that statement tenguy. How fucking stupid to you think we are?>

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...sin-gov-scott-walker-says-his-budget-repair-/

 

Another reason the republicans have a better turnout in 2010 is they had better voter turnout in the election. If you don't vote now, don't complain about how things turn out later.

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Exit_Polls_Show_Youth_and_Black_Voter_Turnout_Down_106578249.html


CBS News is reporting that the youth vote--18-29-year-olds--that was so critical to President Obama's election made up only nine percent of voters in 2010, down from 19 percent in 2008. Fifty-eight percent of the youth vote favors the Democrats.
Despite an intense campaign push in the waning weeks before the elections, early exit polls indicate Democrats did not have a good turn-out: 39 percent of voters voted Democrat, while 56 voted Republican. Independents made up 28 percent of voters in the early exit polls.

Black voter turnout was also down in 2010, with 10 percent of blacks voting compared to 13 percent in 2008. Eight percent of voters were Hispanic, with 66 voting Democrat.
Among women, votes were split evenly: 49 percent voted Democrat, with 48 percent voting Republican. In 2008, women voted largely Democratic; the 2010 numbers are more in line with the 2002 midterm numbers, where women were split 49-49 between the two parties. More men voted Republican than Democrat--55 percent of men voted for Republicans while 43 percent voted Democrat.

 

Yes I do see exactly what he promised to do and what he is doing. No where does it say that he is ending collective bargaining, he is however, limiting collective bargaining to the rate of inflation. Any higher raises must have voter approval.

Now why are you against that? Public employees (including teachers) will now have to get the taxpayers to approve anything other than COL pay raises.

How much more democratic can you be?

 

Please try to read what is posted before making such outlandish and incorrect statements about my posts.

Are you are so frustrated by being wrong, that you have stopped thinking?

 

Here's one of Walker's more obtuse allies in the State Senate, saying that public employees don't need collective bargaining.

http://www.usw.org/media_center/news_articles?id=0699

 

How stupid do I think "you" are or "you collectively" are?

you already know the answer to how stupid I think you are, the rest I will reserve my judgment until we see the end of this discussion.

 

Why do they need it as it is today? Why not accept the idea that he has for voter approvals?

C'mon Kimi you can tell us, can't you?

 

BLOODY THURSDAY

http://www.bloodythursdayfilm.com/

For those who have forgotten the struggles of their predecessors...

Bloody Thursday is a one hour PBS documentary that tells the story of how West Coast dockworkers overcame huge obstacles to form their union, the ILWU. Set in the midst of the Great Depression, the film shows how longshoremen were fighting for their rights at the same time that most of their families weren’t sure where their next meal would come from. The odds were stacked against the longshoremen. Mainstream newspaper publishers, fearful of unionization efforts at their own papers, launched brutal attacks against the dockworkers and drove public sympathy against them. In addition, politicians and the police openly used their resources to side with the shipping companies against the striking dockworkers. Bloody Thursday tells the human stories of the dockworkers who stood up against these odds and changed the course of American labor history.
Bloody Thursday is a one hour PBS documentary that tells the story of how West Coast dockworkers overcame huge obstacles to form their union, the ILWU. Set in the midst of the Great Depression, the film shows how longshoremen were fighting for their rights at the same time that most of their families weren’t sure where their next meal would come from. The odds were stacked against the longshoremen. Mainstream newspaper publishers, fearful of unionization efforts at their own papers, launched brutal attacks against the dockworkers and drove public sympathy against them. In addition, politicians and the police openly used their resources to side with the shipping companies against the striking dockworkers. Bloody Thursday tells the human stories of the dockworkers who stood up against these odds and changed the course of American labor history.

 

We just got through demonstrating that Walker didn't campaign on busting the unions or eliminating collective bargaining, so we have no gauge of public support for that. But as for the first question, they need it to prevent being trampled on by guys like Walker.

 

We've got a "cooked books" gauge for alleged support for Walker that is actually pretty laughable on closer inspection. Because in this case Rasmussen not only asked leading questions, they are trying to pass this off as sentiment in Wisconsin when its a national survey.

This is a much better "gauge" of how the residents of Wisconsin by majority oppose Governor Walker's attempt at union busting.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...in-dispute-may-be-biased/?partner=rss&emc=rss

 

Boy what he is doing really got under the skin of you progressives LOL

Were you this upset when the dems held that office and they raised taxes and all that crap?? I bet not. So as Nancy Pelosi said, she was not sent there to be Bi-Partisan. I know it hurts but think of it like a band-aid being ripped off, it only hurts for a moment LOL LOL LOL


After all elections have consequences as obamm has said in the past and remember WE WON

 

I'm sure these polls will be as suspect as the Rasmussen poll but according to polls conducted by the AFL-CIO Governor Walker didn't have majority support for trying to bust the unions to begin with and is losing has approval rating rapidly since the protests broke out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/22/wiscon-polls-oppose-walker_n_826359.html

 

Well you're just another of those little babbling brainwashed brooks aren't you?

And when did the dems hold that office and when did they raise taxes. And on who. Most corporations in Wisconsin don't pay any taxes.

Then you light footedly leap to something about Nancy Pelosi? WTF is that? Just more parroting of brainwashed snippets.

But only a fool would look at 50 years of union support in Wisconsin and compare the Governor's attempt to railroad the unions out existence to a band aid being ripped off.

Finally, yes elections have consequences. So does standing there flat footed and lying through your teeth about what you intend to do if you get elected governor.

As Governor Walker is now learning the hardway. The Koch brothers put him up to this and apparently neither them, the Tea Party, nor Walker are all that popular in Wisconsin right now.

And just like in the Middle East the protests are already spreading to other states and it appears the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers have bitten of more than they can chew.

By the way were are the jobs?

 

No one can explain it like Jon Stewart

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/22/jon-stewart-wisconsin_n_826384.html:excited:

 

This clearly demonstrates two things. Not only how useful the beguiled are but profitable as well to the top .1%.

And second is that Unions are the only thing we have to change these graphs and one look at them will confirm we really should do that before the top .1% turn the rest of us into a third world country.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

This is the only protest sign I think we need.

 

Although the incomes of most Americans have not risen since 1980, until this century, they have not declined either. Currently corporations are more profitable than every before in history. It remains to be seen if an economy in which most pay checks buy less every year while the rich keep getting richer is politically sustainable.