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_____When I first learned of the change in the rules, I was one of the first to suggest that the authors here formulate a fallback plan. At the time, we (the authors, collectively) had speculated that this place might institute a hard and fast age limit, set as high as eighteen, similarly to Lush and Literotica.
_____To date, no hard and fast rule has come down to the moderators. I have tried to spin this positively, in the sense that the ambiguity gives the owners the ability to purge factual accounts of illegal activity while at the same time allowing popular and artistically meritorious work that happens to involve sex by underaged characters.
_____Many of the authors do not see it this way, and are leaving. Certainly I can understand the principles with respect to censorship, and I can understand their decisions to leave. I have made an impassioned plea that they reconsider, and stay- not because censorship is not an important consideration for me personally (the unfettered freedom of this place is precisely what attracted me to it), but because it is possible that the move to clamp down on certain types of content is being driven by external pressures.
_____I am staying, until such time as my story thread disappears. But, I have been looking into a Plan B. Just in case.
_____I have already reserved a domain. I have lined up an ISP. I have received quotes for virtual hosting, mySQL, and ASP.NET 3.0. Being a software architect by profession, I have already built .NET/DHTML wireframes with a C# back-end to mySQL via OLEDB. I have a smart counter, a custom review system, and several chapters of one of my books running in prototype.
_____Just in case.
_____BUT. I have done this all for my work, with the intention of retaining complete editorial control. I cannot begin to imagine how, or where, I would be able to host this site, if I were to open it up to public document submission, with no constraints whatsoever as to subject matter. Were I to do that, I am quite certain that the ISP would shut it down within thirty days.
_____In fact, I do not know of anywhere that I could host such a site.
_____Those of you who are technically adept, do go ahead and run a TRACE-ROUTE on this site, to see for yourselves, the length this place has gone in order to find a relatively safe hosting jurisdiction. Try it on some of the other sites, too. And then consider the way virtually all of them have toughened their content rules in response to legal pressure.
_____I am sorry if this post is discouraging. That is not my intention. I am merely suggesting that places of this sort do not have many liberties. They host pictures and video to pay the bills. The uncensored story site attracts people who abuse the pictures and video. Law enforcement knocks on the door of the ISP. The ISP threatens to simplify things by shutting down the site. It is all just a vicious circle. If anyone can see a way out of that circle, all the more power to them. They will have created something truly new.
_____However, for a true appreciation of the challenge, consider the last free, uncensored, stories-only venue left on the planet (to my knowledge): asstr. Yes, it is free. Yes, they do not censor. But they also subsist exclusively on donations, and it shows. The site's search functions are so slow that when I checked them out a couple weeks ago, I got the sense that the site runs in some volunteer's basement, over a dial-up line, on an old x486 doorstop running Red Hat 1.0. I eventually gave up and searched the site through Google.
_____Again, sorry about being so cynical. I hope it works out, and if it does, I hope the door will be open, to cynics such as myself, should I be booted out of here.
_____But in the meantime, I will say it one more time: authors, please stay!!!!
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Get rid of the pic's and movies and just have a few token banner ads?

 

Or operate on a donation principal? It could work... Does for Kristen's and they have a fairly fast and loose policy

But they are related or connected in some way to ASSTR....

 

If even that. An almost purely text based site should consume very little bandwidth.

 

We need Larry Flynt!

He has spent many years, and millions of dollors defending the right to free speech.
Now grated it was mostly his right to make money on his speech that he was defending, but he's rich enough that at this point I think he might step in and help some smut peddlers.
Besides he could probably turn a buck on this somehow.

It sould be one's god given right to offend in print.

 

It is instructive that Larry Flynt, with all his millions, would not touch this place with a ten foot penis.

 

Some factual information

xnxx.com traces to IP 69.55.53.96
stories.xnxx.com traces to IP 69.55.52.182
hosted at realitychecknetwork.com based in Brooklyn NY.

Reality Check Network's website states they have datacenters in Bergen, NJ and Amsterdam. NL

The IP addresses listed appear to be hosted at the NJ facility, unless they have some redirection/IP sharing being done between the two datacenters (I didn't check on that). If they are being hosted in the US, the site could be moved to a server in the NL or vice versa, depending upon which was the best legal environment.

(The canonical subdomain video.xnxx.com resolves to IP 69.55.52.198 also apparently hosted in the NJ datacenter. Their upstream provider appears to be ISPRIME, also based in NJ. At least going by the border router IP.)

If US authorities were pressuring the site owners about content, it may be possible that a move to NL servers would solve that. Maybe not.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but a little checking on asstr's infrastructure, as listed on their FAQ page, would reveal:
As of the last update to this FAQ, ASSTR's main server is as a dual Pentium III CPU 600MHz system with 1GB PC100 RAM and an on-board dual channel SCSI 2 Ultra Wide controller.

The secondary server is a dual Pentium IV 1GHz system with 3GB PC133 RAM (upgradable to 4GB), using Ultra 160 SCSI drives.

The database backend is a dual AMD Athlon MP 1900+ system (currently with just one CPU) with 1GB DDR PC2100 RAM (upgradable to 4GB), also with Ultra 160 SCSI drives.

So it seems that the site is not running in some geek's basement or closet. In fact, the servers are runnng Debian Linux, as most high end, professional web servers do run on linux or unix, and are owned by the Internet Free Literature Corporation, based in Alexandria, VA. Thus, three servers which seems to be the same number as the three (IP's at least) at xnxx.

Since the site is accessible both by browsers (http) and FTP (they're running ProFTP server), and taking into consideration the sheer number of individual author sites and the amount of traffic (both http and FTP) hitting those servers, it's a wonder they aren't melting piles of silicon already. So slow search may be a function of traffic/bandwidth at any given time. They do use their own proprietary coded search engine, so that may not be as optimized as possible for the size and complexity of the site.

Additionally, in the time I've had an account there, only once was there a server problem and it was fixed quite quickly. And during a holiday period. Unlike what we've experienced with this site's functionality.

Also on their FAQ page is their explanation on subject matter:
"As for the legality of some of the more offensive works at ASSTR, particularly those containing underage characters, the US Supreme Court ruled on April 16, 2002 that adult material depicting minors but that was not made through the use of any actual minor is protected free speech. The ruling was against the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 (CPPA) and the entire ruling is available via Findlaw.com."

That link there goes to the actual Supreme Court ruling. They have more explanation and information on that page also regarding "offensive" subject matter, which the xnxx site owners would be well advised to read.

It would be advisable to understand that the asstr site provides complete websites for hundreds if not thousands of authors, and allows updating by FTP or browser access control to each of the individual websites/accounts, with full author control. This is all in addition to viewer/reader access to all the tens of thousands of individual files in their database.

Many have found on numerous mainstream websites that their site search is painfully inadequate compared to doing a Google search. Typically, the sites are not setup for searching, but for other purposes, such as hosting and displaying of the content on the site.

Again, not trying to be a smart ass, but it would be advisable to do some basic research before putting down a site that doesn't quite meet your personal expectations. There obviously are limitations on every website, but what asstr does is quite valuable and extremely functional for its purpose. Yes, they subsist on donations, but I don't see where that makes the site any less valuable or professional. I actually prefer that over being inundated by tracking cookies, numerous unwanted and distracting banner ads and every other data collecting device, privacy trap and security abridgement under the sun.

The problem does come down to financing the hosting and server(s). If you're serious about setting up a server, just do a search for "offshore adult hosting" and you can find some that specialize in just that. And since they are not on US soil, they don't pay much attention to requests for logs or IP addresses.

I've really enjoyed being on the xnxx forum and I've met some wonderful friends. But I will be requesting that my stories be removed and I'll continue to happily maintain my asstr site. So far, it has been a delight as far as the reader responses and I have complete control of my own work there.

Hope this provides some factual information for everyone.

Ole

 

Very informative all that.

 

certainly was

Glad somebody understood it mate

 

XNXX servers are Dutch based, this is why there is no bestiality images allowed on this site. As Bestiality images are illegal in Holland.

 

Particularly the US Supreme Court ruling on April 16, 2002 that adult material (Writing) depicting minors and not made through the use of any actual minor is protected free speech bit.

 

Do you know this for a fact or is this just a presumption?

 

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_____Wow, am I ever bagged (maybe, though I strongly doubt it).
_____Didn't trace the IP myself. Obviously. I have heard this site's data is physically in the Netherlands, and others on this thread seem to believe it as well.
_____If we are wrong about that, and this story site's data is physically in New Jersey... well, if that is the case it is a wonder it has lasted this long. How many ISP's in the U.S. will physically host sex stories involving adults and toddlers? Either the traffic is being piped from NL through NJ for performance reasons, or... sheesh, this is just too darned easy, and everyone should own one. I mean, sheesh. If this datastore is really being hosted in NJ, why even speculate on off-shore hosting sites and anonymizers? Let's just call Akamai and get set up!
_____asstr.... sorry. Search is too slow, 24/7. My remarks about the doorstop and so forth were obviously metaphor. Whatever. Too slow.

_____LOL!!!! Definitely just a presumption! Don't know him personally. But that guy, and the corporation behind him, have a history of doing everything under the sun to make a buck, and to tie the law into knots doing it. The point behind my remark is that, if there is a way to publish pedo stories, and make money at it, without being strung up on a lamppost, wouldn't Flynt have done it by now?
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_____Agreed. All of the fictional text on this story site is legal in the U.S. Absolutely. But the ISP's can still tell the site owners to take it down.
_____But, sheesh. Don't mind me. Freedom of speech? I'm your gal! Power to the pen!
_____I have chapters to post. While my thread lasts.
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Well

this is the last time I'll ever visit this site. I guess you can all go fuck yourselves - without the underage stories this site is ordinary and actually pretty shitty.

Your videos page sucks and the underage stuff was the one unique thing you had going on.

This forum never changes, it's always the same sad old fucks computing from their houses and convincing themselves how cool they are.

Adios

- I've had so many names here.

 

Adios

 

I like your username. Did you pick it out yourself? Sorry, you've probably heard that question before.

I think I can be considered a sad old fuck and I'm at home, but I never have put much effort into convincing myself that I'm cool. I hope you find what you're looking for.

 

Damn, I'm going to miss you. All those indepth conversations we had on the forum. Right.

 

Unfortunately I am neither "sad" or "old" and I do not have to convince myself that I am cool..

I know that I am happy, young and cool...:excited:
I also know that I am egotistical and arrogant, but who cares...:excited::excited::laughing::laughing:

 

They don't 'have to do this' to be blunt. Pedosexual sex stories are legal in the United States, though illegal in specific localities (and almost never enforced).
In England..... well, they passed a law that says that they aren't, but no one has challenged that law as of yet on numerous freedom of speech issues (yes, the Magna Carta does have those precepts in it) so......

Really, this is an attempt to limit free speech on here, and I would like them to put something about ASSTR, which is a site that truly adheres to "No censorship!" on any kind of story.

You can put a pedosexual snuff story on there for all they care, as long as it isn't based on true events, they don't discriminate.