I was referring to how defensive the pedos get and how they lash out at their detractors with personal attacks in an attempt to change the subject away from the fact that they get boners thinking of kids in a sexual way.

All of my skinny young things with shaved pubes and itty bitty titties are perfectly legal. If you think that they really look like prepubescent children then you must have never ever been around any prepubescent children.

This shit is getting really oooooold. *yawn*

For the 34,567,328th time...I don't have any socks! :wall:

I have this thing called "a real life." Hence I barely have enough time to be online as JoeD...much less as a bunch of other user names.

No. It makes me bi-curious (at least) or bi (at most).

At least the human beings that I'm sexually attracted to---real or imagined---are of the age of consent.

No. A murderer---by definition---is one who actually takes a life. A pedo---by definition---is one who is sexually attracted to little kids. Whether or not a pedo ACTS on that sexual attraction is immaterial to the fact that he is sexually attracted to little kids.

 

By your definition, a murderer can buy a selection of skewers and knives, case their eventual victim's house, think of killing said person in an imaginative miscellanea of ways and write a narrative about committing said crime without being considered a murderer.

All a pedophile has to do in order to be considered one is to write a story about it? I fail to see the logic in this with your distorted view of reality, how the commission of "thought-crimes" makes someone a criminal in one instance but not the other.

 

I'm sorry, but this reminded me of something I came up with the other day.
Death is like cleaning out the garage.
I'm not afraid of it, I just don't want to do it.
:excited:

 

An ironic statement, considering you're applying the term "pedo" to anyone on the opposite side of the argument. Just looking back through the thread here, I don't see too many actual pedos in the argument. Just a bunch of free speech advocates. So your unfair generalization sounds to me like you're lashing out at your detractors with personal attacks.

(To be fair, I agree that there are a lot of personal attacks going on, on both sides)

Don't complain about people changing the subject if you can't even identify the subject yourself. (Hint: It's in the title of the thread) Your choice of subject is related, but it's not what this thread is all about.

Textbook example of a straw man argument. You're making a claim that nobody can possibly dispute, just so that you can call it a victory and act as though you've won the entire argument. The problem is that your claim is only tangentially related to the discussion of banning pedo stories. It makes as much sense as me claiming that the sky is blue, and then when you fail to refute this, I walk away satisfied that I've proven that everyone should paint their ceiling blue.

I agree that whether a pedo acts on his sexual attraction is immaterial to the fact that he is sexually attracted to little kids. But it is VERY material to whether pedo stories should be banned.

The way I see it, your argument comes down to this:

1. Pedophiles are sick fucks.

2. They're sick whether they act on their desires or not.

3. ?

4. Therefore pedo stories should be banned!

I'm very interested in knowing how you would fill in #3.

 

I was thinking about the avid readers who get off on such stories more than the writers. (However, I'm told that many of them do get off by thinking of and writing such stories.)

You can't sit there at your puter with a straight face and tell me that those who get boners and jerk off to stories about little children AREN'T having sexual thoughts about little children.

Let's stop it with the failure to correctly define terms, shall we? A murderer is one who commits the ACT of murder. (If one doesn't commit the act then one isn't a murderer.) However, a pedo is one who has a sexual attraction to little kids.

My point is that pedo porn stories are INTENDED to appeal to pedo tendencies. The ones who get off on such stories are sexually attracted to little kids...kids who AREN'T to be even thought of as sexual objects in the first place. Such attraction is abnormal and vile. Therefore, such stories are abnormal and vile.

 

JoeD...

Ok now JoeD I really, REALLY don't want to get in a fight with you, but I would like to give you some thoughts here. Now I am not 100% certain where you live or your laws, but I do know that Herein America you can legally go to jail for even thinking about murder and be classified as a murderer. I get it it is called a preemptive strike, usually very helpful. However you usually need some reason to do it beforehand. As for your argument that you get your rocks off to children story you're a pedo, because you are probably thinking about little kids, that isn't true. I read them for a lot of reasons, 1. I read stories to get ideas from them on what to try with my GF. She is of legal age. Second sometimes I will read things that will remind me of my first time with her (which was my first time period). That does turn me on, not the story itself but the memory it brings up. Lastly I read them because as I wrote before I was sexually molested as a young child, and those stories help me relive those times. Such a thing helps me not only cope with what happened, but remind me to not do it again. Besides there has never been any hard evidence that media causes harm. A long time ago people tried to blame video games for poor education and a raise in violence. It isn't true. Recent studies have shown the opposite actually. It is called an outlet. A way to safely explore curiousities. That truely is kinda what roleplay is. Let's just get right down to it, people will always believe in things or be curious about things you think are just plain horrible or stupid. Want an example, I think people who believe in religion are just plain stupid. Am I judging them for who they are? No I get it people need something like that no biggie. But personally I don't need a man telling me some all powerful being who created everything is trying to tell us right from wrong and control our lives. The only true laws is to love one another. Nothing more.

 

shit man. Seeing all these 14 year olds running around with these tig ol' bitties is making me think about lowering my age standard.... but nah. Strange, no matter how tight, aint worth dyin' over.

I'll keep it at "out of highschool". I have other standards too, like "she either has to have a job, or be in college". Tell ya guys, you might have friends with good lookin' daughters and little sisters... but college girls! Man, that's where it's at! They are hungry for new experiences! Be suave. Be cool. Have some swag.

College girls, man.

 

This is why, most often, in my stories involving minors (not little children), often end very badly for the main character. The mental breakdown falls through even more stop signs, and with no way to stop or slow down, it's going to crash.

The guys might die bloody, but the girls get it worse. Some of them have to live on and try to find love again in this life, when the love of their life commits "suicide by cop" while he was "try to kidnap" them.

There's always consequences for our actions, and anything involving minors is bound to end badly.

 

But you could apply the same standard to rape stories, incest stories, bestiality stories, scat stories, snuff stories, gay and/or lesbian stories, oral sex stories, anal sex stories, shemale stories, or adultery stories, depending upon who defines what is "abnormal and vile."

If stories should be banned because someone is disgusted by the content, then 99% of the stories on this site would be off-limits.

Explain to me why shemale stories should be allowed but pedo stories shouldn't.

And just to make it harder, you're not allowed to use the word "illegal" because we've already established that stories can be legal even if they glorify illegal acts.

And you can't just fall back to "those thoughts are wrong" because of exactly what I just explained above.

And you can't just say, "because the site administrators can set whatever rules they want," because no one is disputing that. We're just disputing the logic behind those rules.

 

So with this ban, why are there still stories with kids on here???

 

Most of it was written before the ban.

 

Because you haven't reported them?

I guess?

 

jailbait

i, for one, am glad about this ban. When you look at the media blasts surrounding pedophiles and kiddie porn, i understand why admin decided to shut down on the pedo stuff. I would hate if the site gets shut down because, lets face it, its the closest thing to a sex life for many of us

And the problem is that its so easy to go from read to do. You start shifting your lines a little at a time and end up doing something you always thought disgusting and sick.

What i mean is that sure, one day you're just reading a story by accident, then you start looking for stories and photos about 8 year olds. Next thing you know, you find yourself ogling little girls in the supermarket. And then, one evening, your sister asks you to babysit little Anna and whoops, temptation is knocking pretty loud now. and before you know it, you raped a little kid and got off on it. she's screwed up for life, you possibly end up in jail where you're forced to bend over frequently. Its just best to stay away from things that will harm other people for the rest of their lives when we're talking about sex. its called jailbait for a reason.

 

Okay meanwhile in the real world... we have things like this happening

Hell at least what is written here is fiction...
there is the facts.

I'm against the exploitation of the innocent...
I am not innocent and I'll exploit my characters however I please!

 

Woody Allen did something along those lines too

Though I think it was Allen's step-daughter (?)

 

Yup Jerry Lee's 2nd Cousin I believe and I think she was 13
Woody Allens adoptive daughter I believe ...
Never the less people are looking here for evil when the real evil is not here but out in the real world.

 

Believe me i know and have experienced it. I was ten when i was first abused. Now at 24 and the people i know, well the abuse will be reversed.

 

Sigh. One more newcomer making exactly the same unsubstantiated claim without even an attempt to back it up with real evidence.

Have you even considered the possibility that pedo stories prevent child abuse by giving pedophiles a safe outlet for their fantasies? Or do you share the same blind spot as everyone else?

It's like I put up a logical force field. I even mention this possibility, and it suddenly repels the conversation, pushing it in any direction except addressing the subject.

I think I'm something like 47 for 47 on getting people NOT to talk about this despite my best efforts. I can only see 3 possibilities:

1. I'm so confusing that people can't even understand what I'm talking about.

2. My argument is so strong that people know they don't stand a chance of successfully refuting it, so they don't even try.

3. (Most likely) My argument is honestly something they have never thought of, and even the possibility that it might be true is too disturbing to contemplate, because it would mean they have to put some effort into forming a reasoned opinion on the matter instead of taking the easy way out and just calling for a ban on topics they don't like.