I did not detect that inference at all.

 

To Kreg

OK

Ok for what differance it makes.

What is ""'MY KIND????"" YOU don't know me .

Look it up for yourself.

Who are you to judge me?:excited:

 

I guess we'll find out when he responds.

But even if you assume he only questions the morality of households in which one or both of the parents are remarried, I can't imagine why anyone would think that's a bad thing, as opposed to the alternative of a single parent.

For that matter, there's nothing inherently immoral about a household with a single parent.

 

As I pointed out earlier in this thread such a household is less likely to raise emotionally healthy, and crime free children.

 

I didn't say I had a solution.

Social Services working around/ with single mothers , dead beat dads and abused/neglected children,

Where you been?

 

Maybe so, statistically...but there's no reason why a loving, devoted, committed single parent can't do a good job of child-rearing. And she (or he) may have little or no choice in the matter.

Most single mothers of my acquaintance are members of a very special breed.

 

Indeed, I do NOT "know" you beyond what you post. and what you post infers a Monotheist belief system, Christian or what have you.
And with that belief system you feel justified in posting a thread about morality, that your definition and standards of morals apply to everyone.

Saying "look it up" is the weak excuse of someone relying on hear say. Show me what YOU have seen.

What are these "sharks" you speak of? Whom is at risk with this decline of morality as you see it?

And yes, I have made an opinion about you, Gods know if it's the right one, but I hope their wisdom has provided the correct opinion.
Regardless, I am not about to start a thread proclaiming MY morality is the right one and that society is in a decline because people are not following my moral code.

 

I think your assumption was correct. It's axiomatic among Christian conservatives that we all started down the road to Perdition in the 1950s due to the end of school prayer, the sexual revolution, recreational drugs, no-fault divorce and pornography.

By MY moral standards, we have become a more tolerant and less judgmental society.

 

By MY moral standards. If an adult is providing food, shelter, and love to their child they are doing fine as a parent. Single or otherwise.

 

To Kimico

I did not say that! I did not mention morality at all. It has traditionally more difficult for biracial families because of the social stigma and racial prejudices. I have seen it first hand up close and personal.
You never experience this?

 

I suspect that you may be a bit skewed by your chosen profession. My mother (single, alcoholic, abusive) also worked her entire life for social services. She worked the welfare department, did house visits, medical aid, and food stamps during her career. She had one of the vilest anti-welfare attitudes I have ever seen, mostly caused by her interactions at work.

I was raised in the state with the highest welfare benefits, and in the county in that state with the highest welfare benefits throughout the 70s and 80s. If one were to want to be a freeloader or scam the system, my mother worked in the office that gave the highest cost/benefit for them. Naturally, the percentage of welfare cheats and frauds was incredibly high there as compared to the average. This meant that for every person who genuinely wanted to get back to self sufficiency and get off 'the dole' as she called it, there were a dozen who were neglecting multiple children to buy lottery tickets and custom rims for their expensive cars. The end result is that, much like the police, she came in contact with the worst examples and formed her opinions based on the facts she had at the time.

I do not disagree that a two parent household is better, any time you have two individuals working on any issue you will get better results if for no other reason than they have different views and insights and can pick up on what the other might miss. This does not mean a single parent household is 'more likely' to produce bad children any more than a pair of gay parents or a foster family will. The social and economic forces involved in being single are a major factor and stressor for any family. A single parent has less income, so cannot afford better housing, better neighborhoods, better schooling options, more extracurricular activities. They also tend to have to work more giving less time with family, less time to help with work, and less time to monitor and guide.

Adding a second person to the math will not fix these problems unless it is the right person, and removing a less than supportive member of the family will not ruin the growth of the child either.

Morality is a construct of a society, usually a religious construct, that is designed to maintain that society. It has nothing to do with individuals but more with a group as a whole. Unlike laws, morals are more of an agreement between civilized people to maintain order rather than let nature take it's course.

Has morality declined in our society? By some measures yes by others no. I still see a stable society in which the needy are acknowledged and taken care of by some and in which the wicked are captured and punished by some. I think our information awareness had caused us to realize just how often our society fails to meet these two standards, but in my opinion it is no worse than it has even been. The difference is that we are now able to be much more aware of it if we choose to, and we have created an information society that feeds on the failures rather than the successes.

Wow, guess that one hit a nerve.

 

BUT YOU ASSUME!! just like every one in here that I assribe to all of that religions beliefs and directions there fore assume I'm here on some Evangelical/judgmental/Hillier than you)mission. Not one of you have ever stopped long enough to even read what I post.

Look it up means just what it says. I do not believe I am under any obligation to explain myself to you. I don't wish to discuss it with you so if there is something you want to find out ,you will need to look it up. . .

My OP was an observation. I have made no claim or judgment as to anybodies "Morality"
I did not bring faith or religion into this discussion YOU DID!!!

 

No, not really. This is California...we tend to be broad-minded about these things.

 

Actually, you did, in your first post. You referred to the morality of the "God standard".

 

The opposite is equally true. There never was any such thing as a "God Standard" of morality. I find that absolutely as laughable as the idea American morality has somehow slipped.

If anything we've evolved morally during the past 50 years especially in the areas you mentioned. And I think a majority are less willing to live as hypocrites where they hide the hates and prejudices behind their religion.

 

Alright, I take the bait. First, formost, what morality is it that you speak of? Since your OP states that Morality used to be based on the "God" standard, much like the dollar on gold, I presume you are speaking of morality standards in the United States of America (correct me if I'm mistaken). You go on to say that you are not thumping any particular bible ( again, I presume you are making a statement with Christian theology in cheek). Forgive me for seeming a bit confused with your statements of contradictory and undefined nature.
The fallacy of the belief, that society here (or elsewhere) is on the decline by interjection of romanticized ideology from yesteryear, becomes clear if one takes the time to read historical accounts of anthropology.
Now, that being said, and only accounting for my personal opinion, what is the reason for your post? Are you stating an opinion as a rant or are you calling for like minded persons to join you in your mission to change the situation you've perceived?

 

Children living in households where they witness spousal abuse and/or neglect by one or more biological parents will do less well than those raised in single parent households where the attending parent works, even if they are in a relationship with another person.

Utter bollox. It only takes one bad parent to raise an emotionally unstable child, whether or not both parents are together.

There are bad parents, there are good parents. There are one or two bad parents who stay in a relationship with their spouse/partner for a multitude of reasons. There are bad parents who are single parents.

But there are also good parents who stay in a relationship with their s/o, and good, single parents who raise emotionally stable, productive and successful children.

To suggest that single parents raise criminals is painting a totally false picture of them, and does not give them the credit they deserve for making a choice to end an unhappy relationship and care for their child as best they can, singly and often without any help or input from the absent parent.

 

to Kreg

I agree so long as they are not doing it by killing or some other reprehensible act.

 

And you have proof that single parents are going around *killing or some other reprehensible act*?

 

I agree completely. What I said was it is harder for single parents. My mother raised two of my younger siblings as a single mother. See had no choice . but she did chose to sacrifice for them as she never dated or remarried.
certainly she was very special.

But my sisters both deal with issues of self worth and abandonment. And they carried them into both of their marriages that have subsequently failed.