"...anger and power are believed to be the primary motivation for most rapes... "

Believed by who? I am pointing out that this is not a settled issue.

 

There's a sodding reference. Follow it yourself.

 

ROFL Are you seriously attempting to use a Wiki page to refute years of indepth psychological and sociological research performed at the best Universities in the world and by other well known researchers from other well known institutions and organizations? If this is a joke, bravo! :lol:

 

I'll repeat something else then:

If it was about sexual release then castration would solve the problem.
But rapist who are chemically castrated often still have the same mindset and will use other objects (bottles, sticks etc.) to penetrate their victims. They will also physically abuse them in non-sexual ways.

How is that about sexual pleasure?

 

. . .because you ignore the evidence.

You haven't addressed the situations where rapist use instruments other than their penises.

You just recite the same line over and over and ignore anything to the contrary. I don't know what that makes you politically, but this is not about politics.

 

According to him, it is about politics.

He keeps accusing me of using 'liberal' platitudes, whatever that means.

 

I don't know what it means either. I don't follow American politics.

 

Distant Lover, I shall let you continue on marrily wondering aimlessly. Sweetie, your reference is not only weak you biasing and misreading it. :rose:

 

The facts that most rape victims are attractive young women, and that force is seldom used more than necessary is conclusive as far as I am concerned. Rapists are motivated by sexual desire. Rape exists because for some men it has been a successful reproductive strategy throughout human evolution.

This does not mean that rape and rapists are anything but evil. Unfortunately, human nature is not benign.

The implication of a sociobiological understanding of rape is that traditional taboos and customs about sexual behavior were often functional and based on wisdom. This, I believe, explains the hostility such an understanding often engenders.

 

Next you'll be telling me that these men really want to be fathers.

 

X-orion, it's a twist Distant Lover is trying to make in hopes of supporting his extreme right wing sexist and racist ideologies ultimately. Distant Lover is, as we all know, sexist and a racist as well.

In this discussion Distant Lover is being sexist and would very much like to downplay the real effects of rape on women and portray us as weak, whiny females. Furthermore, he wants to portray it as liberals making a mountain out of a mole hill which it is not.

In the whole scheme of things it is the same old same old with Distant Lover. Preferential treatment for women, blacks, ..., etc. are being imagined in his delusional racist and sexist mind.

Distant Lover, you are awfully transparent. You know, you are making yourself look more and more disgraceful, Distant Lover. If you don't think we can see that pent up hatred residing in you towards blacks and your desire to put "women in their place" your are a self righteous racist and sexist fool with no outside vision at all. :rose:

 

How have I down played the effect rape has on women?

 

Sociobiology is an inquiry into the biological reasons for all animal behavior. It assumes that all animals try to behave in ways that increase the number of descendents they have who survive and reproduce. This does not mean that animals try to have as many offspring as possible, but as many as survive and reproduce. It is better to raise a few well, than a large number who all die.

Sociobiology does not maintain that animals, or even people, understand the principles of inclusive fitness. It maintains that they want to behave as though they do.

Men of all age groups have an instinctive preference for young women, because they are most likely to have healthy babies. During human evolution men who acted on that fact were more likely to have children who survived and reproduced. In other words, they were more likely to enhance their inclusive fitness.

This was true even when they did not understand the relationship between sexual intercourse and pregnancy. I have recently read that until the whites told them, Australian Aborigines were unaware of that relationship. I am sure that at an earlier stage of development no humans did. Nevertheless, men preferred having sex with women in their best child bearing years, and most tried to keep other men from having sex with their wives. All humans of whom there is any record practiced marriage, or something equivalent to it, so it is reasonable to assume that it has had a powerful influence on human evolution for a very long time.

 

It's a process, Distant Lover. You are attempting to publicly change the perception of the rapist and concoct some justification for his actions much the same way you did with racism and your bell curve. Furthermore, you are tying to integrate liberalism into the discussion and attempt to make it appear that much of this relates to liberals pitying rape victims and exagerating the affects of rape on women. :rose:

 

On a number of occasions I have said that rape and rapists are evil. I have made it clear that to have an accurate understanding of the motives of a rapist is to in no way justify the act. I am thoroughly aware that women can be severely damaged emotionally for life by being raped. That is why I believe the punishment for this crime should be very severe.

 

Thank you, I needed a good laugh today.

 

I never thought I'd say this, but the extent to which Distant Lover's supposed rape-apologist tendencies have been extrapolated from he's said is, frankly, ludicrous. It is one thing to disagree with him, as I do [though I must also state that in the course of my readings tonight it has become apaprent that there is merit in the sociobiological approach, regardless of whether DL's interpretations of the implications are correct or not] but quite another thing entirely to suppose [on no evidence that I can see] that he is in some way either diminishing the crime, supporting the perpetrators, or downplaying the effects on the victims.

This is becoming outright slander, and no one, including Distant Lover, deserves such treatment.

 

I'm used to it.

 

Perhaps you are, but accusing someone of downplaying the severity of rape when they have said nothing that even approximates that is reprehensible. I'll call you a racist because I think you fit the bill: you judge people on race first and foremost - but I have never denied, for example, that you're the only one who does this, or that it's understandable, or whatever. I'll call into question the conclusions you draw from your sources until I'm blue in the fucking face, but I won't stand by and watch someone accuse you of being a rape-apologist when nothing you have said indicates thus.

 

I only judge people on the basis of "race first and foremost" if they are young black men I do not know, and if I am walking in a black neighborhood. Because blacks have a murder rate that is over seven times the white rate, and because young men of all races are more likely to commit violent crimes than others of their races, I take precautions that I consider unnecessary with young white men, or for that matter, middle aged black men.

I like every black person I know by name. Like my assertions that rape and rapists are evil, and that rape is a very serious crime, I am growing somewhat weary of repeating that.

A fallacy often used in attacks on me is the straw man fallacy. My opinions are often distorted in order to make them easier to refute. This distortion may be intentional. It may be caused by a lack of mental sharpness on the part of my detractors. In either case, it is irritating. :twisted: