I understand what you are saying, but I think they had to play a delicate balancing act here. The "safe" route would have been to lock it down at 18+. However, most cultures consider sexual maturity to be largely attained by 16, so that's a fairly safe age. In fact, I think it is the perfect age to have chosen, if they had to. Many cultures see those prior to 16 as not mentally/sexually mature in general, and that is reflected in the sex laws of many nations/states.

This is a case where the lower they go, the more risk of offense happens.

 

I'm sure this has been said more times than anyone can count, but here's another time:

"Free Speech" simply does not apply here, at all. Well, that's not technically true...

The only people to whom "Free Speech" might apply here at all would be those who control this site; they have the right, within applicable law, of permitting/denying what they alone wish to be posted on this site.

Us mere visitors to this site claiming "Free Speech" is just comically ignorant, in my opinion.

I submit that losing those who are so inflexible that they will leave over this policy won't end up being a bad thing at all. More reasonable folks will work around the policy, and be glad to have a rare place that allows as much as it does.

 

Agreed, that was unneccessary and of poor judgement. It was just the heat of the moment. With a clear concience I do not wish that on anyone, even though some people do not understand their wrongs until they are the victim.

My appologies to his daughter/sister if he has any. I hope they do not share the lunacy of the poster.

 

Fiction is fiction there are no victims of Fiction.

 

Absolutely wrong. It has been shown in various other threads, where other's opinions have pushed pedophiles to act on other's fantasies. If you keep your fantasies to yourself, that perfectly fine. However the minute you express them you encourage someone else to act upon his. You give him the perception that his opinions are commonly shared and just. Fiction inderectly causes victims.

 

Be that as it may, there is also the fact of societal norms and laws. Clearly, stories with underaged participants offend a significant number of people. My guess is the administration here took that into account in deciding on the age... keeping in mind laws and norms vary wildly around the world.

 

Do you have any hard evidence to back this accusation up? Because those are some strong words to be throwing out there.

What you just said is like saying violent video games cause school shootings on a constant basis. Not only is that statement incorrect, its psychologically flaud. There is no corrolation between violent video games and school shootings, because the shooter (or shooters) have always had a mental instability leaning towards rash violence.

The same theory can be applied to pedophiles. They have always had the thought, they have always wanted to do it, and their instability will lead them to act on that impulse. Its not caused by me saying do it, or some one else saying 'dude you should totally rape that 9 year old'. Nor is it cause by a story about a 16 year old girl getting fucked before prom.

 

My books contain neither stories about sex with children, nor incest.

That said, the books portray sexually active teenagers. They are not "fetish" stories, so the characters do not harp on their ages (as in, "I am blonde, 15 years old, size B, 5 foot 1, cute as a button, and irresistible to pigs like Anthony Wiener"). But, it is a simple matter to calculate the characters ages by school activities, whether or not they can drive, etc.

What am I going to do about it? Not a thing. Screw it. I am not changing a fucking word.

 

I want to say first and foremost that the reason I have a problem with this is NOT because I dream about little girls...

That said, apart from the obvious flaws with the logic of still including X Y and Z while discounting certain age groups....well thats stupid, logically you would exclude all inflamatory subjects or none.

My personal belief is that the admins don't do that for fear of loosing to many posters.

Here is the obvious logic I present... consenual sex ages fluctuate wildly and many people have different opinions...no I'm not talking about countries outside the western hemosiphire...mainly because the people who are against young stories seem to all be from western countries.

Take belgium...EU country western hemoshipe, sophisicated rich culture...yet sex is legal from 14 and incest legal from 16. Surely it would be lofical to start from an accepted minimum...such as that rather than set an arbitrary number because now...now it does seem like people are setting their own views and morals on what people can write, think or dream about.

As a side note...most of the nay sayers I have come across seem to be from america... wasn't your country founded on free speech...liberty or death yes? I read a study somewhere that said 84% of the US had never read nor understood the constitution. and as for possible flamers on me for saying this.....


"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" Oscar Wilde

 

Don't deviate from the point, this has nothing to do with video games. Below you will find evidence that pedophiles are encouraged to act when they have someone else sharing their beliefs (this has been shown a few times on the forum already, I apologise to those of you who have seen this before, unfortunatelly it is apparently neccessary for some):
By Donna Boynton TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF

WORCESTER — A former Webster School Committee member was sentenced to 33 months in prison after pleading guilty to possession of child pornography in U.S. District Court yesterday.

Michael Pavlis, 57, of ** ******** Ave., Webster, was taken into custody by U.S. Marshals yesterday after his sentencing by Judge F. Dennis Saylor IV.

Upon his release, Mr. Pavlis will be supervised for eight years.

Mr. Pavlis, who filled an unexpired term on the Webster School Committee in 2000 and 2001 and ran unsuccessfully for full terms twice, was also employed by the Department of Developmental Services.

“I accept responsibility and apologize for the actions I took,” Mr. Pavlis said, addressing the court. “It’s been a year, and from Day One of that year, I have put 110 percent of my efforts to take responsibility for the horrendous thing I did. I have put 100 percent of myself into my recovery from the child sexual abuse and sexual addiction that led to this.”

Mr. Pavlis pleaded guilty to charges of possession of child pornography in January. He was arrested in September 2010 by the FBI after his computer was seized. Mr. Pavlis had been having daily Internet chats with a man in Texas beginning in November 2009 until January 2010. The two men had exchanged sexually explicit photos of children in emails and had discussed raping a 9-year-old boy.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Karin M. Bell, said while Mr. Pavlis has been in therapy, there is no indication that the therapy is related to his sexual interest in children.

Mr. Pavlis’ attorney, Robert E. Amorello said the discussion of raping a 9-year-old boy was a fantasy, and never transpired.

“My client’s larger problem was his compulsion to engage in a sexualized Internet chat. The 9-year-old child he was chatting about was a fictional character. As repugnant as it was, it was only a fantasy,” Mr. Amorello said.

Mr. Amorello added that Mr. Pavlis suffered sexual abuse as a child, however, he never abused his own children.

“The cycle of abuse he suffered stopped here,” Mr. Amorello said, noting his family — including his wife of 33 years — were in court and supportive of him. Mr. Pavlis has no prior criminal record.

Judge Saylor said in issuing his sentence, he took into account Mr. Pavlis’ sexual abuse as a child yet balanced that with the seriousness of his charges.

 

Ummm... no, that does not logically follow at all, unless you totally ignore that the younger the age, the more people will become offended. Period. They picked an age that seems to achieve the balance they desire.

You would be among that 84%, because you clearly have an infant's understanding of "Free Speech".

XNXX exercises its Free Speech by defining what they do or do not allow to be posted on their own site. Forcing them to allow posts they don't like would be violating their Free Speech.

 

Totally fucking unnecessary

But that is not enough. You then say this:

Take your own advice, bacterius. Keep your fantasies to yourself

 

Idiom Definitions for 'Flogging a dead horse'

If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're flogging a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.

 

As has been noted many times before, this site is not hosted on U.S. soil.

Aside from that, even if it were, it is not a government-owned site, therefore, the Constitution has very little to say about it. If I opened a business on Main Street and said I will only allow customers in who wear green shirts, am I being discriminatory? Yes. Will I be cited for it? No. A private company can pretty much set its own rules.

With a private company, it pretty much doesn't matter if it is right or wrong, popular or unpopular, smart or dumb, hip or square. The owner of the company can make up whatever rules he/she/it deems satisfactory. Site visitors can decide to post, not post, come back, or not come back. We can complain, bitch, yell, scream, throw tantrums, and stew, and quit, or not.

Free speech, as valuable a right as it is, does have some limitations.

 

That is like saying that the writings of Stephen King lead to school shootings

 

well that would be true...if they had not withdrawn rights already given...I'd suggest you look back over what exactky constitues a violation of free speech and censorship.....especially when such rights are withdrawn.


Aside from that...you assume I'm american?

You make an ASS out of yourself.

and thank you for proving Oscar wilde's point


p.s for those that pointed out it's not a U.S site I do know this...I just thought a few people needed to be reminded!

 

Wouldn't the easiest thing to do, if you feel that your rights as writers and or readers are being infringed upon by the restrictions and feel that their rights to freedom of speech is being violated.


CREATE YOUR OWN FUCKING SITE AND POST YOUR STUFF THERE.

YOU CREATE IT AND MAINTAIN IT.

YOU MODERATE IT.

FOR CHRISTS SAKE THIS IS A FREE FORUM SITE, NOT COSTING ANYONE OF YOU THAT BITCH AND COMPLAIN A FUCKING DIME.

SO PLEASE!!!!


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Bacterius, the article you posted is about a man who actively sought out a like minded individual to participate in the events that were going to transpire if government intervention hadn't taken place.

The man was obviously sick in the head, and looking for someone that shared his ideas. He wasn't egged on by the man he found to do these acts, or trade those images. It was of his own free will and cognizance. He already had the idea in his head, was planning it, and wanted to go through with it before he met the man from Texas.

Show me scientific articles, published by respected magazines about the correlation between pedophilic acts and the stories that involve them and I might consider accepting your "theory" that 100% of the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the writer. Until then your ideas hold as much water as a colander.

 

Yay Naked and about to take a shower... driving around all day with no air conditioning is... fun especially in this Texas heat... I think it was 225 in my car today... Bacterius apparently believes that people can't differentiate between fantasy and reality, he is the same sort who wanted Dungeons and Dragons banned... Which by the way is an Awesome game... but then I play chess with one of the makers so... I maybe biased. So maybe there should be a warning to keep the mentally unhinged off the site... that's a great idea! Hear that Ejls have Lex put up a disclaimer for the Mentally unstable... that'll fix things

 

Most of the forum will be gone