I know Bacterius will have to talk to Stumbler... everyone else will have to find a new site.

 

To Bacterius

The problem with the court case you cite, Bacterius, is that it is not really on point, either. Unless you edited out some of the content of the report, it would appear that the man in question wrote about raping a nine-year old boy, and possessed pictures of underage individuals in explicit poses, but did not actually have any inappropriate physical contact with anyone.

So, yes, talking with another pedophile may have encouraged this man to write about his fantasies and to share kiddie porn, but he did not, in fact, harm a child. It can be argued, correctly, that someone did something that was vile and disgusting (taking those pictures) but the individual who was convicted was not that person.

In other words, communicating with another pedophile did not, in the case you cite, result in an inappropriate sexual act with a child.

The poster who mentioned violent video games was, in fact, somewhat on point, in that various groups have called for limitation of this kind of material for fear that it would encourage violence. He was simply pointing out that there is no hard evidence to support that supposition.

To say that underage stories encourage child molestation is like saying that murder mysteries encourage killings. Do you seriously believe that? In both cases, fiction is being blamed for illegal, violent acts.

Unstable, unhappy, some would say evil adults have been abusing kids, psychologically, physically, and sexually, long before this site existed, and, unfortunately, will continue to do so long after this site is gone.

All that having been said, the fact remains that the site's ownership gets to call the shots.

 

WSF, you are my fucking hero dude. I couldn't have said it better.

 

Right on! and these are the facts. I can accept them

 

"Withdrawn rights already given"... you have no clue what you are talking about, do you? XNXX does not "give rights" to anyone. Therefore, it can not "withdraw" rights, either.

It does give privileges, which it is free to 'withdraw' at any time it damn well pleases, for any or no reason whatsoever.

I bet XNXX is very glad that you are, quite simply, wrong.

You are the one assuming things. I'm just making the point that you clearly have no clue what "Free Speech" is. Perhaps if you were American, you would be able to have some basis to make your declarations about this valuable right we American's enjoy. But whether you are or not...

you are clearly completely ignorant of what Free Speech really is, by thinking it can be enforced on the people who run this site.

 

Oh for God's sake!

Haven't we been through this already?

Free speech is a non-issue here. It simply does not matter whether you, as an American, Japanese, German, or Klingon enjoy (or fully understand the concept of) free speech in the real world. This ain't the real world.

It also isn't a society, or a club, or a community, or a municipality. It's a free website, owned by some anonymous entity. That entity has invited us all to play in his/her/its backyard. It finally set ONE limitation on that play.

Will you all just please fucking deal with it?

And by the way, to all the moralists (WTF?) on this website: Your witch-hunts, your rages, your name-calling, and your vigilante-ism (spelling?) more than likely had NOTHING to do with all of this.

The entity doesn't care what you think.

 

Moralists on a porn site who would have thought that would ever happen... And you know if you want a squeaky clean website that hardly offends anyone... they are out there... they are boring as fuck but they are out there.

 

+1:excited:

 

have to agree with the......lets get away from the issue of Free Speech Brigade....This isnt about that. The arguments should be about the freedom of a writer to write a work of fiction.
I just love the hypocrisy of the ones that shout about kiddie fiddlers and pedos, but are more than happy to flout the law of their own country cause they think its wrong
"yeah, Its disgusting to have sex with a child..I know the law says under 18 is wrong but i mean under the age of_____ (insert whatever age your comfortable with here).

We can go through other posts and there are many more examples of that kind of logic....Hypocrites.

 

Are you saying you would want him to have to in order to accept this as a motivational tool?

agreed. He did however discuss ways to rape a child. Intent is sufficient (for me at least) to show that finding other people with similar opinions pushes someone to act in a manner in which he otherwise would not.

Only because he was stopped in time.

I don't, because studies have shown that there really is no link between say video games and real life violence. The difference is the end user. The customer pool of a game is primarily a teenager. The customer pool of a kiddy porn story is a pedophile.

I agree entirely with what you say. People will abuse wheather this stie exist or not. How can you justify though allowing such stories, for purely someone enjoyment, when there is (even the slightest) chance for them being a motivation for a pedophile? I would think anyone would gladly give up that pleasure, any sane person can find enjoyment in other type of sroties or porn.

 

Only pedos think there's a loving relationship between an underage person and someone who abuses their authority to abuse them.

I think it's about the site owners showed some intelligence and took into account that not all members on here want stories about child rape and brutalisation.

You could run to all the pedo authors. I'm sure they're all crying like fucking girls right now.

 

I doubt that such study would exists given the nature of the problem. There are hardly any studies on pedophiles in any event, and even less on their motivation from stories. It is a very "niche" idea. The referenced article is the closest thing to show ones motivation.

I will however show EU Policy on Child Pronography Law.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mx...page&q=actions encouraged by internet&f=false

It discusses Harmful Internet Content (which would arguably and depending on the judge include this stories) and Child Pornography. Stories would violate this law in at least 20+ countries.

 

The majority of pedophiles aren't "unstable". If you're walking down a crowded street, they're impossible to spot.

I've read a lot of stuff about pedophilia being a mental problem, as opposed to a sexual one, and it's an opinion I can't agree with at all.

We all know murder is wrong, and yet, even though we get the urge to murder the neighbour who plays their music loud all night long, we don't kill them. Why then should we give pedophiles a free pass and blame it on some psychosis or other? Total bullshit.

 

It just seems to me that porn stories, whatever the theme, are written and read to entertain, entice, and titillate. I happen to like oral sex with a woman. Stories that describe those acts appeal to me, but they don't cause me to run around yelling "Blow me!" to every woman I meet. Maybe it's a matter of impulse control.

 

Not true. A lot of the people you say are being abused, also think there's a loving relationship. Or more accurately, KNOW there is because they're the person in it.

 

I tried that once. Spent the better part of an hour doing it in a park. Then I ran across a witch. She took offense.

Now look at me. I'm a horse.

Impulse control is a good thing.

 

OK, but if your pee-pee is bigger now, that's not such a bad thing.

 

When a person trades child pornography, a child, somewhere, is subject to sexual abuse.

If nobody traded in child pornography, children wouldn't be photographed/filmed being abused by pedophiles.

Your argument holds no water, as is often the case of those who argue for the right of child molesters and abusers that their freedom of speech is more important than a child's freedom to say no.

 

Rape and coercion are not typical ways to say "I love you".

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa! I agree wholeheartedly with the rather obvious statement that there would be no kiddie porn if there were no market for it. What would be the point of making it if no one wanted it? Legitimate businesses learn this lesson all the time. Why do you think Ford Motor Company stopped building Edsels? Why is it that no one makes four-track audio tapes anymore? No market!

Of course, we've seen that prohibiting or criminalizing a behavior doesn't stop it. The United States tried that with alcohol some years ago. Look at how many child molesters, drug dealers, thieves, and con artists there are. Their behaviors are all illegal, but they still exist. (And by the way, they existed before the advent of the internet.)

I infer (correct me if I'm wrong), that you think I am arguing for the rights of child molesters and abusers. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a parent and a grandparent. If someone abused or molested my children or grandchildren, I would be arguing for my rights as a public servant, after I had slowly and painfully dismembered (pun intended) the perpetrator.

Damn it! How many times do we have to go through this? This is NOT an argument about free speech. It's not even an argument anymore about what is appropriate on a pornography site.

The bosses have spoken. There is no further need for argument.

Please, can we move on to something fun?