You know its funny... what the guideline should be is that stories that are written purely for the exploitation of children will be banned... Not under x age will be banned I have read oh so many mainstream books that would be hit the ban stick because of this guideline.

 

Nobokov's Lolita was 12 years old and Vladimir Nobokov was no hack writer. Lolita made Time's list of 100 greatest English language novels of all time. What? We'd BAN it here?

Lemark said that he was "hesitant" to place an age limit on the sexual characters in posted stories. He agreed that "starting" with age sixteen is fair. I also agree that "starting" our discussion with age 16 is fair but bringing it down a few years would be far fairer.

We wouldn't want to ban the works of writers like Shakespeare and Nobokov now would we?

 

Then there was that clockwork orange quote I threw in there... That's a good book

 

personally, I don't think there should be any age limit.
two of the authors quoted, Nabokov and Burgess chose the themes to provoke, incite and excite. Pushing the boundaries of literary taste.
An author shouldn,t restrict himself because of the mores of Soceity.
An excellent example of this would be Mark Twain, who by his writings, did much to expose the hypocrisy of racism.

 

What and honor, we get to read works similar to Twain and SHakespeare first hand.

Go publish your stuff if you feel is anywhere close to decent. Reason why it remains in a porn forum is because most of the authors here could not write a Menu. It is embarassing how confused about their self-worth people are.

 

If its so bad why oh why are you still reading it?

 

Who the fuck said I was reading them? I spend the least time in that section, hardly any stories in there are worth wasting time on.

 

And you are here for, what, more noble reasons than writers looking to exercise their minds through creative writing?

Your last post: Dude, she still has not waxed her hands... you are ruining the entire thread.... don't post arm pictures. I would not have looked but they show up quick and take me by surprise, ruin the hard on and everything. Otherwise she is great.

You are sexually distressed because a woman has some hair on her arm.

And you wish the readers over here to take anything you have to say with any semblance of seriousness?

Please consider staying over in the hairy arm thread, where water can seek its own level.

 

Wonderful a literary Critic curbing writers who doesn't read...

 

Neither Nabokov nor Shakespeare had their works published to a porn site, accessible worldwide, and sponsored by millions of dollars of advertising.

We wouldn't want the site owners to sacrifice their financial investment by loosening the age restriction, would we?

 

Lets repeat and rinse

I,m with you totally.
Porn, by its very nature, has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. It is here purely to appeal to my baser instincts. I could go into greater detail but that could be a theme for another thread....
but I do believe that writing can advance certain points of view, it can also change peoples lifes and opinions on subjects they knew little about.
Is that a bad thing?

 

He was probably hesitant because its irrelevant ; what we still have showing is "clearly pedophile" and that is determined by type of story rather than age.
Now we have the absurd ruling that either anything involving any character with a stated age of 16 must be categorized as "clearly pedophile" or the rules have changed completely and the pedophile aspect is of no importance but the age restriction is.

Top work lemark.

 

This is confusing. Stories can have characters 16 years of age and older. Under that, and they are prohibited. Are you stating that you believe a pedophile classification is warranted when a 19 year old has sex with a 17 year old? I'm probably just not reading correctly what you wrote.

 

Hi, just stopped by to look at this thread because I have an interest in this subject. I've numbered my statements to allow you to address these specific points and correct me if I am wrong.

1) XNXX's STATED STANDARD for stories that will be deleted are stories that are "clearly pedophile."

2) That standard is clearly posted and since it is the latest pronouncement, it would supercede the previous standard that required characters to be age 18 or older. (as far as I know, that standard has never been enforced with regard to stories.)

3) Pedophilia has a clinical definition. It describes a pedophile as any person 16 years old or older that has sex with a prepubescent 11 year old.

4) Non of that makes any difference since EJLS has explained that she was told that any story that is reported is automatically deleted without review.

5) A previous poster suggested that a petition be prepared and sent to the XNXX administrators letting them know what the members of this site would like to set as the standard for character age limitations. What's wrong with that?

6) Could something like that be done by preparing a poll on the stories forum?

My best to all my fellow writers.

HD

 

(chuckle) I think I am responsible for the injection of Shakespeare into this debate. The other day I asked someone (in a rhetorical context) how old Romeo and Juliet were. But I also said, on that thread (which no longer exists and must have been killed by the mods), that the "Nabokov/Anais Nin Defense" wears thin when applied on behalf of "semi-autobiographical stroke stories of eight hundred words or less."

I guess I'm damned, no matter what I say, just as I am incessantly told.

Seriously, though: I am missing something here, and OHT you have a level head (sort of), so maybe you could clear it up for me. Lemark has not proposed Rules. He has proposed Guidelines. Does that mean that he wants the flexibility of being able to bend the rules where it is warranted? If, for example, the next Anthony Burgess or Anais Nin were to drop by and post a novel, or if some post-Elizabethan bard were to grace XNXX with an improvement on Romeo and Juliet, the admins and mods would be able to let literary merit trump the Guidelines, and host the new masterpierce regardless?

And finally, has there been anything new from ejls or Lemark, or are the 150+ posts all just speculation?

 

Clarise, it does state GUIDELINES and not RULES (as you have noted). I don't think Lemark wants to drive anyone away. He has a real problem here and has NOT addressed it. I am hearing that people who are NOT in violation of the guidelines are having ALL their stories deleted WITHOUT any word as to why. I have heard that certain zealots are running around reporting stories as a vendetta and that those stories are being removed without any review. If this is not checked, I'm afraid that it does not bode well for XNXX and its future.

 

I agree that it bodes ill.

In a sense I have been privileged, so far. aesexual pseudonym used to post on the story site, which is administered by the site owners, who seem to be deleting anything that is reported, without review. clarise posts exclusively on this forum. Complaints have to go through the moderators, who do review the material that is contentious.

Writers are leaving. We can only guess as to why. Educated guesses, surely.

I think I may have developed a rep for favoring the "highbrow" work (such as it is here), first because I like to trade non-pornographic poetry on OHT's thread, and then of course with my non-erotic CAW submission. But I will tell you who I really miss (and I think it may surprise many of you): moran. Her material does nothing for me- early teen sex, incest, and so forth... I do not write those themes. But she was one of the last authors to be posting novel-length material here. DC is gone, too. I think everyone knows what A.P. thought of Alison and the Primdales. Gone. There are very few left. Nicola is posting novels here. I am. If there are others, I do not know about them....

Ah, well. So it goes.

I have taken the line that I am simply going to post my novels as they are, irrespective of the "guidelines," and with no concessions to them. The reason? Every scene, every paragraph, every word, serves the story. That is my guideline, my rule, and my creed as an author: serve the story. I will do so for as long as I can.

 

I haven't seen anything other than the alleged words from God and yes, this thread and some similar to it are mere speculation except where the facts were researched (research on a porn site? really?)

Secondly, I think Lemark might not want to jump to conclusions. Personally I wouldn't mind if the minimum age was 16. It is the going rate among story sites for the most part and 18, while rarer is part of the higher age bracket.

 

I heart you and your opinions.

As a victim of child molestation all I have to say about this is you people need help. my heart goes out to the poor children within a 50 mile radius of you and for the record 14 is still a child. My opinion has nothing to do with social norms, society, or even legal opinions. My stand point on this subject comes from being a victim of the very shit you get off on.

 

I don't understand what Shakespeare has to do with any of this. Nothing he wrote was pornographic, not to mention written in a completely different time. No offense to anyone, but nothing that I have read on this site is anywhere close to being of that quality.

I agree with these guidelines, though I do wish they set the age to 18. I plan to have children some day and I worry that people will be thinking sexual thoughts about them as children and I don't want there to be any sort of support for those kind of people. Sex with children excites you? GET HELP. Don't go to a place that encourages it.