Do religious people really think Adam and Eve were the first people created?

 

Yes, of course I have, many times I have woken to find myself in a strange girls bed, or even a girl I know, lots of times I have found myself knowing the next bullet will hit the x ring, lots of times I have woken with a frigging head ache and sometimes I think "wow my heart hasn't played up for days" then it does, all these things are coincidences or results of a certain lifestyle.

You keep saying this, and I keep asking you how the fuck do you know what are the teachings of jebus, the bible was written 2- 3 hundred years after his supposed existence, it has gone through how many corrupt translations, one copy even states in Deuteronomy or Exodus, "Thou shall commit adultery".

So how do you know what the teachings of christ were, or are you just guessing, or taking the bible more literally than you claim.

Some also claim that the teachings of christ were for the jews and not the goyem which I guess excludes quiet a lot of the world from his "word".

 

I am off to nail some jelly to a giraffes ass, when this is accomplished I am going to bed.

As an aside, the Romans believed the giraffe to be a cross between a camel and a leopard, and people say when in Rome.....:excited:

 

neurologically we know physically how dreams function in the brain but it is still a mystery as to why they occur and their meanings. There have been numerous examples of dream foretelling the future.

Telepathy does exist. It is a random phenomena. It could never be tested by science like dejavu. Telepathy does not necessarily mean sending messages to specific people whenever you want. It happens when it happens. Some of the most common examples are: A mother who wakes up in the middle of the night just a couple of minutes before her infant starts crying. Or Picking up the phone to call your wife, but she is already on the other end. Both of these examples are very common.

This is the problem with discussing religion. If you are only able to comprehend the physical and scientific world, we will never have a conclusion. The vast majority of people in this world do feel a connection with spirituality. I am sorry that you miss that part of life. To me I feel it and I know that science hasn't even started to explore the "Realm of God" Which is the universe and the human mind.

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To me some proof of the idea comes from the fact that all cultures have developed a belief in god and a connection with spirituality since the beginning of time. The fact that so many of these cultures have developed very similar principals, rituals and imagery throughout the world without the ability to communicate with each other could even indicate to one good or supreme being. This overwhelmingly consistent part of human history and the human mind (the universal need to believe in a higher power) warrants scientific investigation before dismissing it for silliness.

I value science and its progress, As Ive said before. But this is a very crude answer to something as complex as the universe. We are still at the beining of this new science. I would not take any of these early findings as facts. History has shown that they will later be contradicted.

Whats on the other side of a blackhole?
How many other planets exist?
Are there other civilizations?
How advanced are they?

No Idea. These are still very general questions. We know shit and we are just starting to hit the tip of the ice burg.

 

Now going by your second paragraph you are talking bollocks.

 

Discussion is pointless. You affirm the existence of phenomena which have repeatedly failed to materialise in reasonably controlled circumstances with reproducible regularity. A few points left to make...

- You mention the meaning of dreams. The only people who demand there must be a meaning to dreams are those who wish it so. There is no empirical evidence to suggest that dreams have any meaning whatsoever, nor is there statistical evidence to suggest they predict the future with any more verifiable statistical reliability than the I-Ching, reading tea-leaves, or pissing into the wind and watching which foot gets splashed more.

- You say telepathy exists. Your 'proof' is utterly anecdotal and thus irrelevant, and you assert that it is 'very common', yet I do not recall ever reading even an article written by a scientist for a lay-man making mention of this 'very common' phenomena.

- The argument from similarity that you employ in reference to the wide-spread nature of similar religious belief shows only one thing: that we are all fundamentally alike. This should come as no surprise. It is far more rational to believe that we all had similar psychological needs as illiterate cave-men than it is to believe in a deity. There is a fairly reasonable argument that points to religious believe being an evolutionary favoured trait because it encouraged a unity of purpose against personal differences.

- You mention the realm of God being in the 'mind'. This is absolutely correct. Research into brain ECGs and electrical impulses have demonstrated that the part of the brain that religious people use to think about God is the same part that the human brain uses in imagination and imaginative pursuits. That alone speaks volumes.

As to your final questions: your God has not answered them, and seems to be making no moves to. Your Bible, either allegorically or literally, does not answer them. Science, however, has the potential to begin to answer them. Why have you turned away from the hopeful avenue to the one that cannot answer?

More to the point, why continue to harp on about science 'not knowing all the answers'? Do you?

 

The thing is, Brazi - about those big questions you asked.

Science has the following answer: We don't know - yet.

Religion give the following answer: We don't know.

I know which I would put my money on finding out.

 

I didnt say that I believe so that I can sin all I want. I said that I am a christian and I also fall for temptations. Just "sins" of pleasure. they do not harm others. I also hold up my part by forgiving those who sin against me. I try to good to others at every opportunity. The god that I believe in will forgive me for those sins.

 

Agreed.

 

one word!!!! AWESOME!!!!

 

Yes, I just get tired of repeating myself. I did not move the goal posts. You just don't listen.

One of my first points was that Jesus fought for us to be able to sin with out the fear of punishment if we were good people ourselves. He was killed for his rebellion against the Jewish church. Those to things are clear in the story of Jesus with out getting into literal detail. So, yes I believe he died for our sins with out question of a doubt.

 

There has to be more to that quote than what we westerners get at face value- but I can't say what it is.

Why? Well Jesus used Middle Eastern sayings and they have a meaning alien to that we put on them, er hem for instance take the "take up thy cross and follow me" episode and the man says."Jeez I'm there.But,um,hey first I must bury my father" Remember that one?

And we all think ,what a nice young man, there's dad all pegged out or close to it and this responsible young man is organizing the funeral and refreshments and perhaps he's going to compose a few words to say at his dad's sad demise so we can't understand why Jesus gets so pissed.

What the man means is "over my father's dead body", Dad's hale and hearty he just won't allow his son to follow Jesus.

That's why literal translations are such a waste of time.

But as far as modern times are concerned I fear you are right,I haven't seen a "man of faith" give it all away either.
(Not that if I ever had anything to give away I would anyhow)

 

110% of Kleetus' don't give a fuck!!!
Make like the good shepherd and get the flock out of here!

 

Dude, your theology is so arse-backwards I don't even know where to begin. Jesus died for your sins, yes, but he didn't die just so you could sin with impunity and with a clear conscience because hey! You believe! You're going to Heaven!

Believing isn't enough. You have to strive be like Jesus, and that means sinning no less in the privacy of your bedroom than in the public forum of the street. In spite of what you might think, Jesus isn't a Get Out Of Jail free card. You have to work.

 

ha

just shows yet again americans are fat and stupid

 

Very good point. As I ve told richie many times before, My lifestyle didn't change. I already had christian morals. The biggest thing that I had to change was to make a point to forgive every one that does wrong to me. And I take this change is a very positive life turn. Regardless of heaven or hell.

 

Faith can still take contemplation to realize. People discover a spiritual side which they thought they never had, all the time. I discovered mine in my late twenties and I am still learning a lot about it.

 

You dont listen. I have already commented on this point when you brought up; "Do not test thy Father" (or whatever.) I also replied to this when Hershey brought it up. I just keep on repeating myself on this forum. It makes discussion pointless.

Dude, orion,... You dont listen. Look at the above quote to my beliefs about sinning. Do not tell me what I believe. We are men. The bible, and Jesus, have clearly stated that man will sin. It is not even a question. The main basic principal is that you have to up hold your side by forgiving those who sin against you.

I am I a perverted,sexually obsessed whore monger and adulterer? NO. While married for seven years. I did not even touch another woman!

Do i occasionally take fall to the temptation of casual sex with a consenting young woman? YES.

Do I say the lords prayer in private and contemplate the bible and my own life and actions in an attempt to better myself as a person (AKA spiritually)?

Do you consider this to be abuse of Christian philosophy and therefore rendering a non valid christian?

If your answer is No then shut the fuck up about my sins and the extent of my christian belief.

Although I am still not clear on whether drug use is a sin or not, I am not an addict and I do show much self control when it comes to this. My spirituality has helped me with this too. I feel regret at times when I do lose control with drugs and alcohol.

I forgive all who wrong me. Whether it is getting short changed at a store or a loved one lying or hurting me. I forgive.

I take every opportunity possible to help others. Whether it is automatically standing up to give my seat to an old man on the subway or doing a big favor for a close friend, I try to make the right decisions as to what I would like them to do for me. And I enjoy doing this it makes me feel good spiritually. And people often do kind things to me. I rarely have serious problems with people in my life. What the fuck is wrong with that?

Just one example, which i have already posted on this thread, but I take it that you did not read it.

Matthew 6:9-15
9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
13 lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.’

14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

I am very much following my religion and am very much christian.

 

Forgive me for asking (I know you are cool with that) but was there a particular event that gave you faith. Did one day did you decide to pick up a bible and think "hmm this makes sense, why didn't I realize this years ago" ? or did something light a spark inside you that made you believe, and given your geographical location, Jesus fitted the bill.

For me, I understand why people have faith, a lot of people have a desire to believe. Whether it is the need to feel a self importance, or the safety of an afterlife, or just to believe there is a meaning to life. Science does not offer the basic of these human needs.

I understand that science, especially modern physics, without having spent a considerable amount of time and energy learning it makes little sense from the outside. The concepts are a long way out of our comfort zone for understanding things on a micro and macro scale. For example Einstein showed a long time ago that time is not constant, it changes upon your relative speed and location, to a person without the background knowledge this probably still sounds absurd even today. Science has a lot of explanations for things, generally the religious folk misrepresent these explanations in attempts to undermine them. For sure, not everything is figured out, not by a long way, the mysteries science present excite me greater than anything else. The learning process is on the frontier of our species greatest achievements. But it is not for everyone, Some people like the comfort of a god, but not me. It does not answer any questions, a god in a Deist sense seems unecessary, and the thought of a personal god that forms to general religious beliefs, and intervenes in the modern world seems purely self centered, wishful thinking, and borders on insanity.

But if the supposed teachings of christ help you, that is cool, my aim has never been to take peoples faith away from people, I like to find the people sitting on the fence, and give them a nudge.

You follow christ, because some of the teachings make sense, this is because you apply your own moral compass installed in you, and filter out the good parts from the bad. But for me the big picture of an eternal life with god, with the whole vast universe going to waste, all seems a bit lack lusture and depressing.

 

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