A lot of those early jamming issues with the M16 had to do with quality of the ammo.

 

poor maintenance, wet climate, poorly trained troops and ill developed clearing procedures didn't help either.

poor maintenance: the starchamber and bolt carrier have small nooks that hide debris, cordite and other buildup, if the star chamber doesn't lock into place with the bolt it won't fire because the firing pin won't always make a solid seal and hit the primer

wet climate: care for a weapon is different between tropical, temperate, desert and arctic environments. troops and leaders didn't grasp that at the start of Vietnam they were moving from temperate or desert bases (where you keep dry lubricated weapons) to moist jungle where if your weapon isn't well lubricated the incessant water and moisture in everything will rust the components where your bluing has worn off.

poorly trained troops: if some conscript is using his weapon as a walking stick he is either going to shoot a hole in his hand (gee sarge, don't know how that missfired) or clog the end of the barrel with debris and cause a malfunction that way.

ill developed/trained clearing procedures: watch the films of the troops in the Tet offensive spraying magazines over a wall without looking, poorly trained poorly disciplined fire. clearing procedures are more complicated than what they couldn't get right there because they would actually have to stop, and deliberately perform SPORTS.

Don't discount the jackassery of the operators.

 

The M16 series rifles when it was originaly adopted never met the US armys standards for reliability but it was chosen over two other competing rifles instead. One of those rifles was developed by Armalite and was available on the civilian market as the AR180 rifle which was in every practical aspect a vastly superior rifle and even included a folding shoulder stock as standard as opposed to the later developed colapsing shoulder stock of the M16/CAR15 rifle.

As for the reliability issues...even after the redesign of the gas system in the 1980's the M16 still didnt meet the US army stadards for reliability. It was widely rumored that Colt manufacturing used its rather substantial influence with both the army and congress to force the rifles adoption over competing rifles, and considering how many systems the military has adopted that were in fact inferior to competing systems it wouldnt suprise me one bit. The troops in the desert currently realy arent that fond of the rifle since it requires considerable attention even if never fired in order to keep it in reliable functioning condition. A feature not shared by other rifles in larger calibers.

The reliability of small caliber semi automatic or automatic rifles has always been an issue simply because of the tolerances the rifle requires. Its another case in which size matters and the M16 has many small gaps and openings and very tight dimentions in which even light fouling or dirt will become a serious issue. Thats why they are still issued with the forward bolt assist assembly in spite of the problems supposedly having been "corrected" in the A2 variant of the rifle.

As for being able to occasionaly fire thousands of rounds with just an occasional shot of lube...sure...I can do that with the M1 Garand too only without the lube and many thousands more rounds with a more powerful and more accurate rifle. It can also be done with the G3 or the L1A1 with many thousands more rounds and no shot of lube. The cleaning regimen that Afgahn soldiers use on thier AK's usualy involves rag and whatever random petrolium product thats available at the time. The barrels are not often cleaned but that usualy involved a few drops of motor oil and a thin cord pulled through the barrel. Do that to an M16 and only an armorer will be able to get it to function again.

The issue of stopping power has been the serious problem recently expecialy with the M4 carbine. Ranges in Iraq and Afgahnistan are often far beyond what the little 5.56 mm bullet can handle resulting in some pretty poor results. Many times the insurgents have waited several days and then snuck down out of the mountains to seek medical attention from the allied hospitals to be found with small caliber entrance and exit wounds requiring only minor treatment since the tiny bullet simply passed through and caused very little damage. The bullets are too stable at ranges beyond 200 meters to be effective unless a vital organ is hit. Thats the biggest reason the US army has been searching for a replacement for the 5.56mm round. That and by using a bigger round, rifles can be made with larger parts and wider tolerances which improve reliability.

The british have had similar problems with the L86 bullpup rifles and are anxiously awaiting the US armies determination of a new rifle and cartidge combination so they can replace thier albatros of an infantry rifle too. Israel long ago dumped the M16/M4 in favor of domesticly produced rifles that have done a much better job of compensating for the deficiencies in the 5.56mm round but then again...Israel isnt shy about replacing weapon systems at the drop of a hat so it probably wont be lng befor IMI develops a rifle in a caliber that isnt 5.56mm since even they have issues with the round.

The 5.56mm rifle became the second most popular military cartridge in the world for one simple reason. The United States was willing to supply rifles and huge quantities of ammuntion to any friendly country that adopted it.Just like the soviets did with the AK47 except that the AK actualy works. It cant hit an outhouse door from the inside but it goes bang when the trigger is squeezed. The M16...well...maybe it will go bang...maybe it wont...did you clean it in the last hour?

The reason that reliability is such an issue isnt because the M16 jams at the slightest provocation so much as that the conditions under which it absolutly must not fail are also the conditions under which any rifle is most likely to fail. And the M16 doesnt do harsh conditions very well. On the rifle range with ten cases of ammo its a champion...in the field after a bad helicopter insertion in a hot LZ with sand and dust blowing around and everybody crawling around behind rocks looking for cover dragging thier rifles behind them in the dirt and burning off magazine after magazine tends to stress it out and it needs to take a vacation. Not a good time for a failure and its failure rate under field conditions is substantialy higher than what even the US army says is acceptable and always has been.

 

My first hand knowledge of the SLR (L1A1).

It breaks down into 7 parts, gas plug, rod and spring, top slide breach carrier and block and the rifle. Simple and easy to strip and assemble. We serviced it twice a day, first light and last light. Every round I fired went bang and I had the nice feeling of the rifle recocking, unless the gas setting had been dialled to under 4.

The British army attitude of one shot one hit, one aimed shot every 4 seconds is pretty destructive to the enemy, firing any weapon, apart from crew manned and squad support weapons is pointless, most rounds are going to miss the target, most aren't even aimed at the target, so why have full auto?

 

I am just curious, have you ever served in the armed forces?

And have you spent much time with an M-4?

 

I shortened your quote and want to tell you something. I don't give a shit who you are, but this forum is not for talking about guns and ammo.

There are hundreds of websites that deal with that issue. Why are you bringing it here to forum.xnxx.com?

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I know what you are thinking....

You are thinking, "I am going to delete this person's account and teach them a lesson that I am God around here and nobody fucks with me."

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THis forum is an adult forum. This is General Discussion.
Did I post this in Sexuality? Pics? No.. General Discussion, where people talk about what ever the hells they feel like talking about as long as it doesn't break the rules. And if ANY of my topics I start (which are few and far between) break the rules I am quiet sure a Moderator will send me a message.

Are you a moderator? No. Do you have any authority to tell me what I can and can't post? No..
If you are looking for a fight, kindly stick your head up your arse and fight for air.
Thank you.

 

Fuck off.

 

That too.

 

Elwood: Thanks for nothing.

 

I have a Marlin Model 60SS for shooting rabbits. Currently it is locked away in a safe at my parents house, haven't been shooting in years, just don't get the time. Apart from firing a few different pistols in a range in Netanya Israel, and shooting a couple of foxes at my uncles house with some of his shotguns (He keeps chickens), It is the only gun I can really say I truely know. My experience with the military semi automatic rifles and assault rifles discussed in this thread comes purely from information from my brother who is in the Royal Marines, a friend in the Irish guards and the Discovery & History channels. Would love to go to the range and try out a selection of automatic weapons, would be great !

No dissing the .22 please, may be small, but it is a great little rifle.

 

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There is another 2 reasons for going to the smaller round. The M14 in 7.62 was a bear to control in full auto and the M16 wasn't plus having a much smaller lighter round as in the 5.56 allows the ground troops to carry more ammo with them. I have just read an article where we have gone back to suppling some of our troops with the M14 again due to it's longer range over the M16/M4.

 

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Why the fuck would you need to fire in full auto, it is not a crew weapon or a squad support weapon, one shot one hit.

Now do deformed rabbit.:excited:

 

I took a picture of the different cartridges being discussed here for a better visual reference.




From left to right:
22 LR

5.56 X45mm 62 grain bullet

7.62 X 39mm 127 grain bullet

7.62 X 51mm 150 grain bullet

 

.22 FTW do you have any .50Cal BMGs?

 

22's are great little guns. I have several. Here are a couple of my favorite.

This is a Marlin model 70PSS (also known as the Papoose/survival gun). It's a great gun to take along when going camping or fishing. It's stainless steel and comes with a padded waterproof case that floats..



Here is my Ruger MARK III

 

No, but I am thinking about getting one. They are bad ass.

I think I will get a BOHICA 50 caliber upper in .50 BMG.

It will fit any standard AR-lower, and converts it to a single-shot bolt action. It features a 30" barrel with threaded muzzle brake.

 

nice nice !

Love em, light, accurate, simple, reliable, easy to use. Perfect way to learn !

Plus they about the only semi automatic weapons legal in the UK,(well not the Ruger) which makes them good for recreational use !