No I don't think so at all. This is an entirely different event and actually a breaking story in terms of US connections and responses to this tragedy which you can clearly see are rather horrendous in this case.

And I would point out that with the thousands of other threads on this site and the ability to make your own if you want to there's no reason for you to even be on this thread if you don't like the topic of discussion.

Its a really big forum and free flowing so there's never a reason to be on any given thread you don't like is there?

 

From what I've been hearing about Norwegian law (which doesn't make it accurate) there is little chance of an insanity defense in this case while on the other hand while 21 years would be the maximum length of prison sentence someone might spend there are provisions to not release people who are deemed a danger to society.

So the idea of him ever getting out of jail may not be accurate.

 

There is talk of a charge for terrorism, in which the sentence could be up to 30 years.

Could the bombing and the gun killing spree be charged as separate crimes with consecutive sentences? My knowledge of Norweigian law is very limited.

I know in many countries they can charge each murder of each person separately, and add the sentances consecutively

 

I also have to admit that I'm not legal expert on this either but it does seem to me that amidst all the hysteria over this I have heard that Norway's laws might not be as lenient as is being portrayed in the media right now.

 

Just a quick look at the Norwegian Mental health programme and they have the right to detain "patients" if they are deemed a danger to others or themselves. British experts are edging towards a deep and enduring mental health issue, paranoia and delusional behaviour with grandiose ideation. So if he was in England he would be spending the rest of his days in a Cat A Special hospital, ie Broadmoor.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14275981

 

From what I have read so far.. this topic is about an american who is using a tragedy in another country to validate his own political agenda.

Glenn Beck is not Norwegian. He does not have any family, as far as I know, even remotely connected to this event.
What he is doing, however, is capitalizing on the grief and tragedy of others to promote his own views and opinions concerning his country.

What you are doing, and others, including myself, is giving him attention by responding in this topic, thus keeping it fore front on page one.
We have people like your Glenn Beck in Canada as well. Our solution is to simply give them a small blip in news coverage and then resign them to the dark world of "unimportant zealot". Thus you don't hear about them.
Just another bigot from a previous age whom hasn't caught up with the times.
As I said, this has little to do with the events in Norway, other than some american trying to make a profit off the grief of others, thus making this another thread about the politics of one country, of which there are many such topics..
Making them kind of hard to avoid, thus I reiterate, don't you folks have enough threads concerning the politics of your country?

 

I think there's a tendency here in the US to have a preconceived notions that Norway is some socialist liberal state that would naturally coddle criminals and that's were a lot of this speculation on only serving 21 years is coming from. While admitting if he does end up doing only 21 years I will also be shocked.

And I think keeping the outrageous rhetoric of people like Glenn Beck in the forefront instead of just his special little group, which he has already inspired to violence, is critical to knowing just how far some people have drifted off the plain of logic and reason. In fact I consider it a public service.

Because if no one ever took note of what people like Glenn Beck say or no one ever challenged it then Beck would still be on Fox News and spreading his fear, hate and insanity to a much broader audience. But because the outrageous things he said were challenged and were made public not even Fox News could afford to keep a loose cannon like that around anymore.

See I think we might have basically two kinds of people. Those who love and support the kind of hate and prejudice Beck tries to spread and those who will be shocked and completely offended by what Beck has to say. And that's why people like me make sure other people see how he really is and what he's really saying.

I have always believed the battle against fear, hate, prejudice, and misinformation are always worth exposing if for no other reason than to show people how bad its really gotten to be.

As an example how do you sink much lower than comparing the victims of this right wing extremist terrorist attack to Nazi Youth?

Or being a national spokesman on conservative issues claiming the terrorist was right and this might be the only way we can stop Muslims from taking over the world.

I think US citizens especially need to know just how far its gone.

PS I also have to point out again this particular terrorist was very much inspired and influenced by American politic, especially US right wing anti Muslims and that makes an obvious and logical connection worth looking at.

 

Glenn Beck's Hitler Youth comment just made CNN News but with a little twist.

I had no idea that Beck and the Tea Party sponsored so many political camps for US kids.

That one just hurts because he's actually doing what he accused Norway of doing.:excited:

 

I have friends in Oslo, can't believe it happend...

 

Well, to be blunt, I can't see how this effects anyone but americans. He's a non-issue from what I've gleaned talking to others outside the US (Glenn Beck who?)
And from what I have read/seen the individual who caused the shooting was more influenced by the Eurabia phobia. Something in many European countries that have embraced multiculturalism have had to deal with, a few whacko's who are afraid of change, multiculturalism, and diversity.
Not that I would dispute the dogma coming out the US definitely had some influence, that the seething paranoia of Muslims by some americans, especially your elected officials would garner some feeling of comraderie by nutjobs in other parts of the world.
The individual who did the shootings was more paranoid of the centralist party being tolerant and respectful of immigrants.

As for Fox news, from what I have seen of it (asides the open mockery of our military in Iraq and Afghanistan) is that is on the air due to Money, not for it's award winning impartial journalism, or ground breaking stories, but simply because the uneducated masses have found a station that agrees' with their phobia's and feeds them their daily dose of Soylant Green, and the sponsors (money) are aware of this.
After watching Fox News I often wondered why the US doesn't have a clear separation of Church and State, especially when it comes to journalism, and then I remember that most of what goes on in the US is fueled by money and private interest groups with said money.

broad generalization I know.. but hey.. it is what your media portrays.

 

No he didn't you dumb ass fool. He's not running a Hitler youth camp.

Do you ever get tired of being so stupid?:excited:

 

Just more stupidity from king stupid stumbler...

 

Care to point out the 'stupidity" (in a post I thought had valid points) or are you simply trolling for attention?

 

I do believe the "point" is what you just said. "I thought", that is YOUR opinion...

Not everyone is going to agree with what you think....

 

hah.. nor do I expect them to.. however a sign of maturity is to refrain from using base insults to express displeasure with a certain point of view.

 

So, when are you going to reprimand stumbler or the other trolls with your holier than thou advice??

 

"holier than thou"? ROFL.. no, beyond my umbrage to The Gentlemans slur on Rap and hip Hop.. I do try to refrain from chasing people about the forum to try and insult them at every opportunity...makes me look like a troll and implies I just attained puberty.
And I apply this attitude to myself, if you choose to go off on a wild tangent making base insults, unfounded accusations, and in general behave like some kid in the High school hallways.. that's your prerogative.. as you said, you have every right to say what you want. As do I.

 

And is that a bad thing. Americans don't have a right to dicusss American politics?

No one is forcing you to discuss them are they?

But then I'm not outside the US am I? No I'm here and that makes someone like Glenn Beck's comments pertinent to me and other Americans.

And far from a non-issue here this is breaking news happening now.

Which is an interesting point but not particularly relevant to this thread which is discussing the US right wing noise machine reaction here to the tragedy in Norway.

I think that is very relevant to Americans, and this is the General Discussion section.

But you also claim that influence and the ramification of it are not worth discussing? That seems like a direct contradiction to me.

And the difference between the centralist party in Norway and the and the progressive/liberal/Democrat party here in America would be what? I think they are a lot a like and the right wing noise machine helps promote terrorism and violence as a solution to political differences.

I absolutely agree which is why I try to point out and warn that Fox News is not really reporting news but actually trying to brainwash and manipulate people to support conservative causes.

Absolutely right again. And that should be the only hint you need at to who is behind Fox News and the Tea Party. Its the same 5% of American millionaires and corporate welfare recipients that are trying to protect their vested interests from fairness and shared sacrifice.

Our Media in its present stage is quite good at generalizations and even worse when it comes the idea that all opinions are equally valid.

That's just another form of insanity because some opinions can be backed up and validated with facts and others cannot.

But there is no hope of our media getting better or the right wing noise machine becoming more responsible if they are never challenged and taken to task for their shortcomings and even worse the misinformation they crank out on a daily basis.

 

Hey, what ever dude... No one is forcing you to read my posts and no one is forcing you to comment. You choose to do so of your own free will.

If you don't like me or the things I post on here, than put me on ignore.

I really don't care. Some of you have such a thin skin it's pathetic.

Now go find someone else to cry about....

 

@stumbler
Since I have neither the skills nor inclination to learn how to multi qoute;

If such stations are fuelling the discourse and polarization of your country, why has there not been some emphasis to promote a non-partisan media outlet?

A man like Glenn Beck would never make it to main stream media in this country, we wouldn't stand for it.
So why do you people? Have you no form of getting pure un-biased facts from main stream media? None at all?