Now maybe its just my own ignorance but I did not know a group that's been calling itself the American Legislative Exchange Council has actively been "helping" states draft legislation since 1978.

And it seems like something I should have known about.

But now it seems almost inescapable and I've been meeting ALEC everywhere I go. And come to find out this mostly conservative organization has been incredibly successful in getting their laws passed and seem to have their influences everywhere. Including apparently how to make money off jailing and holding suspected illegal immigrants.

But what got me is that somehow in the middle of this story on increased immigration raids and deportations I find out more about ALEC than I've learned in all the latest press reports I've seen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/14/undocumented-immigrants-prison-business_n_926542.html


ALEC it turns out is one of the most frightening things I've ever seen and I plan on tracking ALEC right here.

 

Frightening? Now I understand why you like to type in pink, bold letters. You are a sissy.

Here, instead of sitting there shaking in your boots reading about them on Huffy, why not read about ALEC on their "hidden" website.

http://www.alec.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home

 

Frightening???fuck they are not frightening,,nothing like some shit that I have seen, like ACORN, George Soros, Steven Chu and Obama with his unlimited Czars.

I'll deeply thank you for bringing ALEC to the light, now I know someone is on my side,,,FINALLY. The thought of an organization that has my views of limited government.:excited::excited::excited:...Hell I'm even going to put their site right up on my toolbar.

 

I think the hysteric would be the one who starts out telling lies like implying i said (or even thought) that ALEC is somehow hidden which is something in never said or implied.

But to get the record straight to begin with I think this cautionary note from University of Wisconsin Professor William Cronon sums my feelings on ALEC up very well.

Let's begin with a high note of Caution:

That's right I have no objection what so ever that ALEC exists, or that they are very successful in getting legislation drafted and passed.


I just think more people in this nation should be aware of it as well. That way when someone like Scott Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans push thought some of the most dramatic and controversial legislation in their history people know that it actually comes from ALEC and is being proposed coast to coast.


But I also don't think we should pretend that ALEC is anything but a very powerful and successful machine for pushing the conservative agenda which as many or you know I consider a lie as it is preached and practiced.


And what is the proof of that statement. Well its their membership requirements for one thing.

http://scholarcitizen.williamcronon.net/2011/03/15/alec/


Yes I think getting to know more about ALEC and what they are proposing and who they are backing is a very important part of understanding our political system better and exposing who's really pulling the strings.

Its the idea of conservative groups pushing for more for-profit, private prisons is frightening enough to me Ace when we already imprison more people than any other nation on earth and judges are willing to put kids in prison for kickbacks.

'Kids for cash' judge sentenced to 28 years for racketeering scheme

A Pennsylvania judge was sentenced Thursday for his part in what prosecutors called a 'kids for cash' scheme that sent juvenile offenders to privately run detention facilities in return for kickbacks


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...sentenced-to-28-years-for-racketeering-scheme

 

Judge Mark Ciavarella, the "Kids for Cash" judge sentenced to 28 years, ran for his position on the Democrat ticket.

 

Really more people than in China for example?

And how's that working for us Ace?

Not to well in my opinion for sure.

https://forum.xnxx.com/showthread.php?t=29305

Supreme Court orders California to slash prison population by more than 30,000

In a 5-to-4 ruling, the Supreme Court says severe overcrowding in the prisons violates the Eighth Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment. A minority opinion offers a sharp dissent.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...o-slash-prison-population-by-more-than-30-000

That does not matter to me because both sides have their share of corrupt people.

The point is there's no incentive to sentence innocent people to jail or prison when those institutions are run by the state. When there is every incentive to get as many people as possible behind bars in private for-profit prisons which adds to the incentive for corruption.

We just watched the US financial sector cause a world economic collapse and the Great Recession in the US through their own greed and corruption. That proves they should be in prisons not running them for profit.

And let's not forget we're actually talking about good old ALEC here and promoting prisons for profits is just one thing they're doing.

The also wrote the union busting bills Governor Scott Walker passed in Wisconsin as well as the new voter ID laws.

There's a lot more to explore here than just putting people in prison for profit.

 

Paranoia becomes you as much as the bold pink text does. OMG, look at this, someone is trying to influence legislators, hurry get the women and children inside.

Who do you think actually writes legislation?

According to: http://www.govtrackinsider.com/articles/2010-03-24/whowritesbills

It's lawyers who draft legislation (because they know the existing laws) and pass it by those parties who may be affected by the law, who then give their input and then the final draft is given to the potential sponsor.

ALEC is just one of many organizations who draft legislation.

Others include the ACLU, labor unions, special interest groups (Planned Parenthood, etc.) and ANYONE who is so inclined, even you can write a proposed law and submit it for sponsorship.

 

Well you lose that bullshit Ace because the judge's political affiliation never occurred to me. We don't elect judge's out here. And I've sure never been fool enough to claim that the liberal/progressive/Democrats don't have corrupt politicians or our share of criminals.

So you can suck on that one Ace.

But in the meantime I'm finding out lots of interesting things about ALEC and have to admit that's its pretty surprising I haven't really heard of them until just a month or two ago and the odds of that being a political coincidence that I'm just happening to be hearing about them now are beyond astronomical.

For instance I found this very handy site:

Get the Goods on ALEC

ALEC Exposed Audio & Video
From The Nation Magazine:
ALEC & Democracy
ALEC & Education
ALEC & Labor

ALEC & Health
ALEC & Koch
ALEC & Prisons (NEW!)
From PR Watch:
ALEC & Injury Law
ALEC & Wisconsin
ALEC & Tobacco
ALEC & Climate Change
From SourceWatch:
Press on ALEC Exposed
ALEC Quotes


http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed


Looks like ALEC has their fingers in just about everything doesn't it.


But I think that's about to become a lot better known.

 

Yea well they have been around since 78 and they have only had a web page since 98...they were hiding before that...

 

You were aware of them before this?

 

Well non-fuck you Ace I'm not going to do your work for you. If you want a MORE DEMOCRATIC HILARITY/HYPOCRISY thread you can just get off your own personal ass and do it yourself.

I admitted I was a progressive/liberal/Democrat partisan and fighter against the lie of conservatism as it is preached and practiced since I first got on this forum.

So you get off your ass and rake your own muck. Don't expect me to do it for you.

And thanks for reminding me Ace. I got one more too.

 

yep The rights answer to the ACLU...the silent majority....yep and my Granddad was on one board that was called Christians for a Moral Society...I think...that was the name....

But hell I was a member of the SDS once upon a time....

Like Abbey Hoffman said......the fight is over go home take care of your family cause this country is going to crumble from the inside out.....in his book....War for the Hell of It.

 

Abbey never took his own advice. He died (or was killed) right after helping to expose the Ronald Reagan Presidential Campaign's roll in keeping the Iranian hostages held until after the presidential election.

And I really disagree. I've never seen the battle between the lie of conservatism and liberalism come to a more critical battle at a more divergent time in our history.

This is a time to join the fray instead of sit there and just take what's handed to you it seems to me.

 

Well posting on this board is not getting into the Fray as you say....

I do not like what is going on but I took it the streets once before...

If this generation was anything like mine we would have stopped this stupid war by now....that would save a bunch of money

Thought Obama was gonna get us out not deeper..he riding around in a bus belly aching when he needs to sit his Black ass down in the White House and work something out but now that he has his money he is off and running for president again.

 

Really?? Work what out? Tell me that. Tell me what President Obama can do that congress will approve.

And then keep pretending that President Obama is not drawing down troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

By all means keep pretending.

Me I'm going to keep on fighting for the things I believe in while I go otherwise happy through this life.

 

Yeppers, 13 years that website just lurked in the fringes. And obviously, if you didn't happen to know about them, they must be a clandestine rogue operation.

 

Wow! You're a big 'fraidy-cat aren't you?

You skip the group's site. . . and dive into the propaganda sites like a drunk blond into the back seat when the car door closes.

You really have no idea who these think tanks are that you love to quote do you ?