I understand the demographics of Canadian cities thanks. I don't need a lesson from you.

Toronto has supported two US sports franchises for a decade now. It's not about being the best; it's about continuing to exist. That's what matters is existing and remaining profitable/economically viable.

The CFL and NFL, as I said already, cannot be compared, and yet you continue to try to compare them. The NFL is a much bigger league, more money, more everything. If there are enough fans to support it, an NFL franchise will always do better.

Buffalo obviously has some great die-hard fans and it has a long-established fan-base. Trying to judge the possible attendance of a Canadian NFL franchise by the amount of Canadian fans who watch a Buffalo team makes zero sense. It takes time to establish a fan-base, tradition. A lot of cities like Buffalo, Philly, and others have their fan-base because kids grow up into it. You can't match the intensity of the NFL except with sports like hockey in Canada, soccer in Europe, etc.

You do realize I hope that football is actually pretty damn big in the UK right? Not in the media and not on the professional level as much but a lot of kids play it, they have University leagues, pro leagues with a championship, youth leagues, etc. There is definitely enough of a fan-base to have high enough TV ratings and merchandise sales. They also have a good amount of people who I would think would go to games if they had their own franchise.

Actually, come to think of it, they have leagues all over Europe.

As for the other things.. Well for starters, teams would probably lose maybe a day more than they do when they play Monday Night Football and then have to play a regular-scheduled game the next week.

They can make it work. It's really not as much of a challenge as you're making it out to be. They don't have to go there early. The Bears didn't.

Basically, you're trying to make points off of assumptions that the worst-case scenario would happen but when have you ever known the NFL to not make smart business decisions?

They'd have the travel figured out well beforehand. They'd schedule it the right way (Honestly, why would the same team play in London one week and then Germany the next?), and they would make everything as smooth as possible.

They care about their money. They wouldn't be risky with it.

 

Not on a privately chartered one, no. People who have tell me that it's as good as being in a hotel.4


Of course, if you were REALLY bloody stupid, you could imagine an NFL team flying from LA to London on a Continental Airlines cattle truck.

 

Chiefs leading the Chargers 10-0 after a quarter. Not a good start.

 

Tamba Hali's a monster in this game. PSU can definitely produce some defensive players.

 

thats right baller you don't need a lesson from anyone because you fucking know it all you fucking retard, your younger brother knows more than you even with his codition so baller here is a big fuckyou asshole,,,,,,,,,,:laughing::laughing::laughing::lol::lol::-E:wink:

 

1st and goal Chargers. They desperately need to figure a way of getting over that goal line.

 

1 point game.

This is getting interesting now.


And the Chiefs have a pretty impressive pass-rush.

 

Tie game. 2 minute warning. Monday Night Football.

Gotta love it.

 

So who was to blame for that screwed-up snap? The one thing the Chargers had actually been good at all game was kicking field goals, and they threw away their chance to kick the game-winner.

 

I will leave the rest of your post alone and agree to disagree but you have some valid points to look at again like they have a few times already and especially since NFL Europe worked out so well and attendance was an average of 20 thousand in it's best year when 5 of the teams were based in Germany and the games were attended by more North Americans there then Germans.

The Bears were a one shot deal and if they need to do it often throughout the season, it takes a toll. Jet lag is always a factor in determining their performance as well but Europeans don't notice it since they don't know what the performance level should be but a true football fan would see it right away but players are reminded not to speak negatively in any way while over there but would tell you the same thing.Like I said, football is a novelty there and attended by a lot of non Europeans and when the novelty wears off when they play poorly, they will abandon it and go back to kicking soccer balls around instead.

If it is "big" at the minor levels, that's good and 1 in 100 might make the NFL one day and the rest will be part of other inferior leagues both here and there and if you think they can breed a whole new group of "star athletes" to fill the rosters of expansion and existing teams ... well I will just say NOPE. How many great high school and college players here make it ... 1 in a thousand if that.

I don't like the idea of NFL in Europe or the UK other than the occasional highlight game and it's great PR for the NFL but would be a nightmare on a more permanent level. That's just my opinion and we all know opinions are like assholes and everybody has one, right.

 

I agree with what you JPT.I really do not understand what Roger Goodell's big idea of starting a franchise in the UK is.Other than money I see nothing else.

Like you said visiting teams would be jet lagged and not perform at their level.The same would go for what ever team is in the UK when they would travel here.And they would have to do it most.

 

Teams play at 9pm one week, 1pm the next. It doesn't seem to affect their performance level.

Jetlag's only an issue if you need to change your body clock to fit the new time zone. If you're only there for one working day, you don't need to do that.

 

Yeah but they are also not flying from one side of the world to the next all the time.Also if a east coast or west coast team has two games on the opposite coast they stay close on or near that coast that way they don't have to fly back home just to fly back in a couple of days.

Look at it this way.If there was a team in London and they had to fly over here for say two games they would have to stay here for those two games but than go back for one or maybe two home games and than fly back this way again.Also the time zones would change on them all the time because they would play in different time zones every time.Pacific,Mountain,Central and Eastern.

And don't forget that some states like California have the day light savings.That there could also play a role.

How about this,why not put a NFL team in Hawaii?

 

Late in the Pats-Steelers game, when the Pats fumbled, Troy Polamalu batted the ball downfield into the Pats' own endzone and a safety resulted. Turns out it shouldn't have done, because it's illegal to bat the ball downfield after a fumble (or at least, it was in this particular circumstance) but the officials missed the penalty and called the safety.

Now Polamalu, probably wisely, is not saying anything. He's been asked if he knew he was committing a penalty and his precise words were "whatever would get me into trouble, I'm saying the opposite." Can't say I blame him.

I want to raise the question of sporting ethics, though, without talking specifically about Troy and whether he's a cheat (which I doubt). The generic question is, if you can do something illegal which will result in a score if the referee misses the call - should you do it? Or should you play within the rules?

 

Rivers. He didn't receive it the correct way.

You're flat out wrong, JPT.

Honestly, you're starting to piss me the fuck off with this shit you're doing right now. You're being ridiculous and you know it.

Why on Earth would a team fly between countries often? Tell me that. Right now. How often do NFL teams even play each other? Can you answer that? I can. There's 32 teams in the league and 16 games in a team's season. What in the fuck are you even talking about?

Did I say a fucking word about "breeding star players"? Go ahead and show me where the fuck I did. But since you're on that.. tell me, how many Canadian players are in the NFL? How many Canadian players could even play in the NFL? Your argument comes back to bite you with that one.


If you're not able to argue a point without pulling this bullshit then shut up.

You also have no clue what you are talking about.

NFL teams do not play every single team multiple times. They don't even play every single team ONCE. TWO GAMES? Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? It doesn't take a week to travel. Nobody would be staying anywhere for two games. You go home and practice and prepare for next week. That's how it fucking works.

Every team deals with multiple time zones. Every single team.

You should play within the rules. A lot of players, in all sports, don't though, especially dirty teams like the Steelers.

 

Troy plays the game 100% of the time, he is a very talented and passionate athlete.

But, I think he gets away with a lot of stuff on the field that lesser players get caught at. Last night he should have been flagged a couple of times for interference, but wasn't. I thought the officials were going to call the batted ball but they seemed oblivious to it.

But as the old story goes, if you don't want to be bitten by a couple mistakes, stop making them.

 

I am smarter than to argue with you on a hypothetical scenario baller, and was simply stating my opinion which I have just as much fucking right to be wrong as you do to disagree with it.

There are/have been just over 95 Canadians in the NFL and are currently 12 including one on the Eagles (Danny Watkins) from Kelowna, BC and one right next door to you on the Steelers (Shaun Suisham) from Wallaceburg, ON. On a personal note fellow Calgarian Nate Burleson plays for the Lions ... and one on my Cowboys. 8 others on various teams as well.

Smarten up and keep your gutter "shut up" comments to a real asshole and not a person that treats you with respect at most times and disagreeing with you is not an attack on your character but simply my opinion and an echo of some topics that have been discussed previously in the league office. If you are getting "pissed off", you might want to look at yourself because I can't make you do or be anything that you aren't already inclined to be in your own mind unless you are suggesting that I can influence your emotions, especially with simple text that is a statement of a hypothetical scenario and not directed at any one person in which case it might give cause to be "pissed off".

I am going to step back now and bid you a good day and this isn't even remotely worth raising my blood pressure over as you seem you be doing to yours. Peace ........... out.

 

I'm not trying to be a dick here. You're being ridiculous though. You're arguing nonsense because you don't like the idea of an NFL team in Europe. It's pissing me off because it's annoying.

You keep talking about the viability based on assumptions and ignorance, all the while insulting the people in the UK. For my money, anybody who plays football in the UK or any other area where there's that many obstacles to deal with just to play deserves more of my respect than somebody who can play it easily. There's also UK players who play in college and high school over in the US. Hell, some have even been on NFL practice squads.

If you would engage about a rational discussion about this and put the bias aside (and this is coming from somebody who has quite a few problems with UK members here pretty often), I'd welcome the opportunity.

 

I saw that! LOL. Even a snowball has a better chance of surviving in hell, than the Colts have of being in any playoff game. This last Sunday was full of upsets and there was a lot of aggression and dirty playing, even among teams that tend to stay away from that kind of strategy.
Ideally, of course, I'd love to see the Colts actually PLAY a game this season, but even Santa laughed when I told him my wish.
As I'm reading NFL news, shaking my head over Collins retiring and the break down of the Rams/Saints game, I can't help but wonder what else is going to happen this year. Romo and Tebow being huge disappointments as well as Cam Newton and watching Ponder do better than expected, I've found it all in all, to be an interesting season so far....

 

Notice the statement that Chris Kuper makes after the game they played in London last year. There is more in the link and it's just Goodell crawling up Glazers ass about wanting a team in London supported by the Tampa Bay Bucs who are owned by Glazer who also owns Manchester United FC.


http://www.nfl.com/international/st...es-its-realistic-for-nfl-to-expand-to-europe-

Two things are raised in this quote from NFL.com. Jet Lag is in fact a concern as they will need to be there for at least 2 - 3 days including travel and the actual game on Sunday and Jet Lag kicks in almost immediately and is noticable by the next morning already to a certain degree. If they were to go the day before, they would as Chris put it "be walking zombies" and their performance would suffer against a well rested team and don't start this shit about well that works both ways because 2 wrongs don't make a right.


Glazer wants it more then anyone else and I have been checking around and the support just isn't there like Goodell said it was when he crawled out of Glazers ass to take a breath. Not consistently or long term. Just another American curiousity that they have over there that will wear off quickly.