Occupy Wall Street

stumbler · Oct 20, 2011

Alright I'm sure the brain washed parrots won't be able to look at them but here's a pretty good survey that actually has a large enough base and also corroborates and clarifies findings of another survey.

The demographics are not what brainwashed parrots are told to believe.

We now know what they want, what social networks and online tools they use and who doesn’t like them. But just who are the Occupy Wall Street protesters?

Over a month since the demonstrations began in New York’s Zuccotti Park, two demographic surveys of the movement and its supporters are now available online, both of them containing surprising, perhaps even counter-intuitive findings about the makeup of the movement and its supporters.

Survey One: Visitors to Occupy Wall Street Website

The first survey, the results of which appear in an academic paper written by Héctor Codero-Guzmán, PhD, a sociology professor at the City University of New York (CUNY), used visitors to the Occupy Wall Street movement’s website (www.occupywallst.org) on October 5th as its sample size. The paper was published online on the Occupy Wall Street website on Wednesday.

Politically independent
Among other striking findings, Codero-Guzmán discovered that 70 percent of the survey’s 1,619 respondents identified as politically independent, far-and-away the vast majority, compared to 27.3% Democrats and 2.4% self-identified Republicans.

“That finding surprised me based on what I had heard in previous conversations about the movement” said Codero-Guzmán in a telephone interview with TPM on Wednesday. “I wasn’t expecting many Republicans, but I was expecting more self-identified Democrats. In recent years, there’s been an increased interest in who political independents are and what political views are and what are their levels of interest in particular issues, which will only continue as the election cycle progresses.”

Other findings in the paper include:

Participation level: Relatively weak
Less than a quarter of the sample (24.2%) had participated in the Occupy Wall Street protests as of October 5, 2011. (But as Codero-Guzmán pointed out to TPM, the movement was still in its relative infancy at that stage.)

Wealth varies widely
A full 15.4% of the sample reported earning annual household income between $50,000 and $74,999. Another 13% of the sample reported over $75,000 , and 2% said they made over $150,000 annually, putting them in the top 10 percent of all American earners, according to the Wall Street Journal’s calculator. That said, 47.5% of the sample said they earend less than $24,999 dollars a year and another quarter (24%) reported earning between $25,000 and $49,999 per year. A whopping 71.5% of the sample earns less than $50,000 per year.

Highly educated
92.1% of the sample reported “some college, a college degree, or a graduate degree.”

They have jobs
50.4% reported full-time employment, and “an additional 20.4% were employed part-time.”

“Dr. Cordero-Guzmán’s findings strongly reinforce what we’ve known all along: Occupy Wall Street is a post-political movement representing something far greater than failed party politics,” read a blog post on the paper posted on the Occupy Wall Street website Wednesday. “We are a movement of people empowerment, a collective realization that we ourselves have the power to create change from the bottom-up, because we don’t need Wall Street and we don’t need politicians.”
Cordero-Guzmán told Idea Lab that he and Occupy Wall Street’s webmasters planned to release more findings of their initial data sample this week and would conduct future studies in the coming weeks with a much wider sample size.

“I can tell you about 6.1 million unique people visited the [Occupy Wall Street] website within the last 30 days,” said Cordero-Guzmán. Not bad for its first month of launch!

Survey Two: Face-to-Face With Protesters

The other demographic survey of the movement was an in-person questionnaire of some 198 protesters on the ground in Zuccotti Square, conducted by Fox News analyst Douglas Schoen’s polling outfit on October 10th and 11th.

The results were published online Tuesday and used to bolster a Wall Street Journal column by Schoen in which he maintained “the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people—and particularly with swing voters who are largely independent and have been trending away from the president since the debate over health-care reform.”

Still, a closer examination of the results of Schoen’s survey by The Wall Street Journal’s Aaron Rutkoff on Wednesday revealed some findings that Schoen glossed over or misconstrued to further his own perspective.

Participation split between veterans and rookies
Schoen’s survey found 48% reporting it was their “first time getting involved in a protest/rally/march etc.,” compared to 52 percent who said they had a “history of past participation,” about an even split.

Age varies widely
As Rutfkoff explained: “While 49% of protesters are under 30, more than 28% are 40 or older,” roughly coinciding with Cordero-Guzmán’s findings.

Some employment, but overall difficulty finding work
When it came to employment, Rutfkoff explained that “33%… are struggling in the labor market. That percentage is double the U.S. Labor Department’s broader measure of unemployment, which accounts for people who have stopped looking for work or who can’t find full-time jobs.”

Politically independent
As for political leanings, Schoen’s survey recorded that the largest group of respondents, 33 percent, “do not identify with any political party,” followed by 32 percent that identified Democratic and zero respondents who identified Republican. A further 21 percent, again the largest cohesive group, said “both parties” were to blame for the “failure to address our problems.”

And although Schoen’s column maintained that “An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008,” his survey doesn’t exactly support that assertion. As Rutkoff found, ” according to the survey data, just 56% of protesters voted in 2008, and of those 74% voted for Obama. Crunching the numbers, it would appear that only 42% of the Zuccotti Park crowd has ever cast a presidential ballot for Obama.”

Another 35 percent reported that they “somewhat approved” of President Obama’s job performance while 24 percent “somewhat disapproved” and 27 percent “strong disapproved.”

Overall, Rutkoff says, the survey indicates that “Zuccotti Park protesters are underemployed at twice the national rate, lukewarm to warm on Obama and broadly in favor of taxing the wealthy and encouraging a Tea Party-style populism on the left.”
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http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.co...-survey-results-will-surprise-you.php?ref=fpa

anotheruser1 · Oct 20, 2011

ace's n 8's said: ↑

SINGLE,,,4 KIDS,,play your cards right, and the government will house for free.

Then you can drive around town in a Cadillac Escalade.
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if your black you can have 3 kids 2 baby daddy's and a drug operation and get maximum benefit for life. I see it here on a regular basis. Except some are going to BMW and Mercedes Benz now since the gubbment upping thay check n shit

stumbler · Oct 20, 2011

Kimiko said: ↑

That's a great reminder, Stumbler...thank you for posting it. While I'm willing to say that some Democrats are in the pocket of Wall Street, only a complete fool would be unable to discern the difference between the two major parties. I may be disappointed in the Democrats, but I'm appalled by the Republicans. All one has to do is listen to any of the current debates between Republican candidates, and ask yourself, "who do they have compassion for"? The answer, it seems, is nobody. Nobody except the top 1%.
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And that's where I'm drawing the lines. In the interest of fairness there is no valid platform for lies and total misrepresentations. There is no excuse for sitting here and believing the lie of conservatism. No matter what the demagogues, brainwashed parrots, or phony posers try to pass off the evidence is abundant and undeniable.

Bill24 · Oct 20, 2011

stumbler said: ↑

And that's where I'm drawing the lines. In the interest of fairness there is no valid platform for lies and total misrepresentations. There is no excuse for sitting here and believing the lie of conservatism. No matter what the demagogues, brainwashed parrots, or phony posers try to pass off the evidence is abundant and undeniable.
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That's some funny shit, Stumbler! I thought Kramer on Seinfeld was funny, you got him beat with this bullshit. :lol:

stumbler · Oct 20, 2011

Bill24 said: ↑

That's some funny shit, Stumbler! I thought Kramer on Seinfeld was funny, you got him beat with this bullshit. :lol:
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Former financial regulator notes four themes of ‘Occupy’ protests

William Black, a former financial regulator, appeared Wednesday on Democracy Now to discuss the ongoing “Occupy Wall Street” movement. He has participated in the “Occupy Kansas City” demonstration and is currently an associate professor of economics and law at the University of Missouri at Kansas City.
Ever since protesters began camping out at New York City’s Zuccotti Park on September 17, the movement has been criticized for having no clear purpose, demands or grievances.
“However, if you look, not just nationwide, but worldwide, you will see some pretty consistent themes developing,” Black told Amy Goodman. “And those themes include: we have to deal with the systemically dangerous institutions, the 20 biggest banks that the administration is saying are ticking time bombs, that as soon as one of them fails, we go back into a global crisis. Well, we should fix that. Right?”

“There’s no reason to have institutions that large,” he continued. “That’s a theme. That accountability is a theme, that we should keep—put these felons in prison, and there’s no action on that. That we should get jobs now, and that we should deal with the foreclosure crisis.”
“So those are four very common themes that you can see in virtually any of these protest sites. And they have asked me, for example, to come to New York to talk about some of these things.”
“So, I think, over time, you won’t necessarily have some grand written agenda, but you’ll have, as I say, increasing consensus. And it’s a very broad consensus. It’s not left, it’s not right; it’s not Republican, it’s not Democrat.”
Watch video, courtesy of Democracy Now, below:
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/...gulator-notes-four-themes-of-occupy-protests/

stumbler · Oct 20, 2011

And I don't know why the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers have to lie all the time.

Pollster Confronted With Misrepresenting Occupy Wall Street Poll, Admits Radical Redistribution Is Not ‘Their Highest Goal’

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011...ial-redistribution-is-not-their-highest-goal/

Carrie Joslin · Oct 20, 2011

Ha ha ha Liberal Hypocrites... Yep, fish rot from the head down!

Oh, yes... You bet! Obama has received more money from Wall Street than any politician.

Uh huh... Can you spell Liberal Hypocrisy?

"That would include the man who is arguably Wall Street’s biggest detractor and an OWS sympathizer—Barack Obama. A study by the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation’s Influence Project finds that Obama has received more in campaign donations from the financial sector than any other politician in the last two decades."

"It’s almost as if President Obama won’t cross across a Wall Street picket line except to get inside with [his] hand out, so he can raise money. That sort of support causes him to look hypocritical."

Continue reading on Examiner.com Obama has received more money from Wall Street than any politician - National Libertarian | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/libertarian...wall-street-than-any-politician#ixzz1bI0wnprf

stumbler · Oct 20, 2011

And if you're a Tea Bagger can you imagine Barny Frank rubbing your nose in it??:excited::excited::excited::excited:

Barney Frank supports protesters, raises Wall St. cash

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66412.html#ixzz1bI3JR0Qb

Carrie Joslin · Oct 20, 2011

stumbler said: ↑

And I don't know why the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers have to lie all the time.

Pollster Confronted With Misrepresenting Occupy Wall Street Poll, Admits Radical Redistribution Is Not ‘Their Highest Goal’

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011...ial-redistribution-is-not-their-highest-goal/
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lmao Ah, yeah... If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. Thanks so much for the laugh, sweetie! :lol:

Bill24 · Oct 20, 2011

stumbler said: ↑

And if you're a Tea Bagger can you imagine Barny Frank rubbing your nose in it??:excited::excited::excited::excited:

Barney Frank supports protesters, raises Wall St. cash

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66412.html#ixzz1bI3JR0Qb

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Hilarious, they all have skeletons in the closet ready to fall out. :lol:

tenguy · Oct 20, 2011

stumbler said: ↑

And I don't know why the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers have to lie all the time.

Pollster Confronted With Misrepresenting Occupy Wall Street Poll, Admits Radical Redistribution Is Not ‘Their Highest Goal’

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011...ial-redistribution-is-not-their-highest-goal/
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My goodness, what is this world coming to?

Stumbles is quoting a story about Fox News grilling a pollster for misrepresenting polling data to skew it against the "Occupiers".

tenguy · Oct 20, 2011

stumbler said: ↑

And if you're a Tea Bagger can you imagine Barny Frank rubbing your nose in it??:excited::excited::excited::excited:

Barney Frank supports protesters, raises Wall St. cash

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66412.html#ixzz1bI3JR0Qb

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Greatest quote from Barney in a long time.

“If you take money from them, but you don’t vote [for] the things they want, how does that put you in conflict?” Frank questioned.
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Barney old girl, that just illustrates how much of a hypocrite you are. Your "sweeping legislation" missed the biggest dust bunnies by a mile.

Kimiko · Oct 20, 2011

Carrie Joslin said: ↑

Ha ha ha Liberal Hypocrites... Yep, fish rot from the head down!

Oh, yes... You bet! Obama has received more money from Wall Street than any politician.

Uh huh... Can you spell Liberal Hypocrisy?

"That would include the man who is arguably Wall Street’s biggest detractor and an OWS sympathizer—Barack Obama. A study by the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation’s Influence Project finds that Obama has received more in campaign donations from the financial sector than any other politician in the last two decades."

"It’s almost as if President Obama won’t cross across a Wall Street picket line except to get inside with [his] hand out, so he can raise money. That sort of support causes him to look hypocritical."

Continue reading on Examiner.com Obama has received more money from Wall Street than any politician - National Libertarian | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/libertarian...wall-street-than-any-politician#ixzz1bI0wnprf
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Then you should be marching along with us and carrying your own sign, Carrie. These protests are not pro-Obama. These protests are about Wall Street exerting undue influence over our politics...and you just provided additional proof of it.

ace's n 8's · Oct 20, 2011

stumbler said: ↑

Why do you keep telling mean lies like that Ace.
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Because I live in the world of reality,,there's room for you in this world too,, wanna come over.

You know it's not true.
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It certainly is true,,I see it frequently.

Every state has welfare to work and there's been limits and checks for more than 20 fucking years now.
But you just got to keep telling that same old lie don't you? One of your favorite cherished notions ain't it. But total bullshit and really little of you I think.
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As you are calling me a liar,,there seems to be no chance, in your mind, that some of those people that are collecting from the free money window, would lie on the application,,is there?
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tenguy · Oct 20, 2011

Kimiko said: ↑

Then you should be marching along with us and carrying your own sign, Carrie. These protests are not pro-Obama. These protests are about Wall Street exerting undue influence over our politics...and you just provided additional proof of it.
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Yet you defend the career politicians in your camp with extreme prejudice.

Kimiko · Oct 20, 2011

tenguy said: ↑

Yet you defend the career politicians in your camp with extreme prejudice.
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No, I don't, and you can't point to any post in which I did. You're just not paying attention. I know perfectly well that SOME Democrats have opposed reinstating regulations on Wall Street. But guess what, tenguy....ALL Republicans oppose it.

tenguy · Oct 20, 2011

Kimiko said: ↑

No, I don't, and you can't point to any post in which I did. You're just not paying attention. I know perfectly well that SOME Democrats have opposed reinstating regulations on Wall Street. But guess what, tenguy....ALL Republicans oppose it.
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But why oh why, do the very ones with their hands in the cookie jar, not oppose it?

Could it be that they are safe from scrutiny because the attention of the offended has been diverted from them?

Why are you so blind? Why are you not demanding that Obama and the rest, return the money?

Carrie Joslin · Oct 20, 2011

Kimiko said: ↑

Then you should be marching along with us and carrying your own sign, Carrie. These protests are not pro-Obama. These protests are about Wall Street exerting undue influence over our politics...and you just provided additional proof of it.
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Ah, yeah... Wall Street certainly has been trying to influence politicians via payoffs. The thing is as Tenguy mentioned the politicians are accepting the payoffs. You know, accepting a bribe is no more ethical than bribing someone.

Ok... We march against Wall Street for attempting to payoff politicians. How does that address the issue regarding politicians accepting the payoffs?:rose:

tenguy said: ↑

But why oh why, do the very ones with their hands in the cookie jar, not oppose it?

Could it be that they are safe from scrutiny because the attention of the offended has been diverted from them?

Why are you so blind? Why are you not demanding that Obama and the rest, return the money?
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RandyKnight · Oct 20, 2011

1. Break up the monopolies. The so-called "Too Big to Fail" financial companies – now sometimes called by the more accurate term "Systemically Dangerous Institutions" – are a direct threat to national security. They are above the law and above market consequence, making them more dangerous and unaccountable than a thousand mafias combined. There are about 20 such firms in America, and they need to be dismantled; a good start would be to repeal the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and mandate the separation of insurance companies, investment banks and commercial banks.

2. Pay for your own bailouts. A tax of 0.1 percent on all trades of stocks and bonds and a 0.01 percent tax on all trades of derivatives would generate enough revenue to pay us back for the bailouts, and still have plenty left over to fight the deficits the banks claim to be so worried about. It would also deter the endless chase for instant profits through computerized insider-trading schemes like High Frequency Trading, and force Wall Street to go back to the job it's supposed to be doing, i.e., making sober investments in job-creating businesses and watching them grow.

3. No public money for private lobbying. A company that receives a public bailout should not be allowed to use the taxpayer's own money to lobby against him. You can either suck on the public teat or influence the next presidential race, but you can't do both. Butt out for once and let the people choose the next president and Congress.

4. Tax hedge-fund gamblers. For starters, we need an immediate repeal of the preposterous and indefensible carried-interest tax break, which allows hedge-fund titans like Stevie Cohen and John Paulson to pay taxes of only 15 percent on their billions in gambling income, while ordinary Americans pay twice that for teaching kids and putting out fires. I defy any politician to stand up and defend that loophole during an election year.

5. Change the way bankers get paid. We need new laws preventing Wall Street executives from getting bonuses upfront for deals that might blow up in all of our faces later. It should be: You make a deal today, you get company stock you can redeem two or three years from now. That forces everyone to be invested in his own company's long-term health – no more Joe Cassanos pocketing multimillion-dollar bonuses for destroying the AIGs of the world.

To quote the immortal political philosopher Matt Damon from Rounders, "The key to No Limit poker is to put a man to a decision for all his chips."

The only reason the Lloyd Blankfeins and Jamie Dimons of the world survive is that they're never forced, by the media or anyone else, to put all their cards on the table. If Occupy Wall Street can do that – if it can speak to the millions of people the banks have driven into foreclosure and joblessness – it has a chance to build a massive grassroots movement. All it has to do is light a match in the right place, and the overwhelming public support for real reform – not later, but right now – will be there in an instant.
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/my-advice-to-the-occupy-wall-street-protesters-20111012

baller16 · Oct 20, 2011

http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com...-philly-glamorizes-homelessness-at-city-hall/

Oh, and they now have their own chef on OWS... in a soup kitchen. How convenient that those places just exist where you can get free food at others' expense huh..

Oh wait a minute.. those programs are supposed to go to THE ACTUAL WORKING POOR AND HOMELESS.

Oops. Fuck them huh OWS..

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