Numbnut Obama

stumbler · Dec 27, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

Do away with the progressive tax system? Who? Even Cain's 9-9-9 had a '0' component factored in ...and Perry's basically gives everyone the exact same baseline deduction (effectively taxing the less fortunate at 0%.) A truly FLAT tax system would never be implemented but the incredibly top-heavy system we have now will not last. All taxes included, we're on the wrong side of the Laffer curve already and poised to race even further.
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You are the Laugher Curve Texas Boy.

Just about the only Republican candidate for president that is not promoting some kind of flat tax scheme is Mitt Romney which as Mother Jones reports:

Romney's Tax Plan: Not Crazy Enough for Today's GOP

James Pethokoukis writes today that Mitt Romney has a problem: his tax plan isn't crazy enough to convince Republicans that he's really one of them:
He would keep the Bush tax cuts, eliminate investment taxes — but only for those making under $200,000, kill the death tax, and cut the corporate tax rate to 25 percent. Solid but kinda “meh.”

Romney's plan, Pethokoukis reports, needs to be much friendlier to the rich and much more infused with supply-side voodoo. The glut of nutball flat-tax plans from the rest of the GOP field has raised the bar, and merely endorsing $5 trillion or so in tax cuts just doesn't cut the mustard anymore.
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http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/12/romneys-tax-plan-not-crazy-enough-todays-gop

But its good of you to admit that the proposals from the rest of the field is just plain crazy.

So you're going to vote for Romney then?

Me I'm for cancelling the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% and would me more than happy for them to raise my taxes as well because as arch conservative Alan Simpson explained we cannot pay down the deficit without some tax increases and he has abandoned the current GOP/Grover Norquist debacle.

Yesterday, at a public hearing, those six Republicans got an earful from one of their former colleagues — retired Sen. Alan Simpson (R-WY).
“Just a quick note about Grover Norquist,” Simpson testified. “If Grover Norquist is now the most powerful man in America, he should run for president. There’s no question about his power. And let me tell you, he has people in thrall. That’s a terrible phrase. Lincoln used it. It means your mind has been captured. You’re in bondage with a soul. “

Simpson went on: “So here he is. I asked him. He said, ‘My hero is Ronald Reagan.’ I said, ‘Well, he raised taxes 11 times in his eight years.’ And he said, ‘I know. I didn’t like that at all.’ I said, ‘Well, he did it. Why do you suppose?’ He said, ‘I don’t know. Very disappointing.’ I said, ‘He probably did it to make the country run, another sick idea.’”
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...get-earful-over-fealty-to-grover-norquist.php

And even more recently:

Former Sen. Alan Simpson, R-Wyoming, who was co-chair of the president’s fiscal commission, told MSNBC: “I’m sitting out here in the wilds of Cody, Wyoming, on a beautiful winter day and just shaking my old bald dome. I mean this cannot be the way to run the nation’s business. . . This is B.S. and mush, and the people are sick and tired of it.”
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http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/12/21/House-Republicans-Tax-Cut-Mess.aspx#page1

stumbler · Dec 27, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

Denying global warming/climate change? Who denies climate change? I (and many others) may disagree with the extent to which we are able to reduce the various climate trends but to deny that climate changes is just laughable. Verifiable facts show that the climate swings wildly over large periods of time and, get this, our incandescent light bulbs haven't caused them. http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html We aren't going to stop it no matter how much we regulate and tax and remove personal freedoms. To think that we can is also laughable but if we're talking about slowing it down some insignificant amount for a cost, let's discuss the cost/benefit of that in reality.
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You are such a joke. Two or more of your candidates for president don't even believe in "evolution" let alone human caused global warming/climate change. And the entire Republican party is taking a hit and becoming known as the anti science party.

Heads in the Sand

Sen. John Barrasso is no stranger to science. The Wyoming Republican is an orthopedic surgeon who earned his medical degree from Georgetown University. His rigorous intellect won him Washingtonian magazine’s designation last year as the “brainiest senator,” based on an anonymous survey of Capitol Hill staffers.

Which is why Barrasso’s reaction when a reporter recently asked his views on climate change was so telling. On his way to the weekly Senate GOP luncheon in the Capitol building, Barrasso paused in an empty hallway to chat. When a reporter said, “Senator, can I ask you a question about climate change?” he fell silent and his eyes narrowed. “I’m busy,” he snapped, before turning sharply and striding away.

Two days later, the reporter tried again. Approached in the Capitol, Barrasso smiled and appeared poised to answer questions, inviting the reporter into an elevator with him. As the door slid shut, the reporter asked, “Do you believe that climate change is causing the Earth to warm?” A long silence ensued. The senator eventually let out a slow laugh and said, “This isn’t the time to have that conversation.” As soon as the elevator opened, he clapped his phone to his ear and walked briskly toward the Capitol subway.

It’s not surprising that Barrasso avoids talking about climate change. He’s smart and has a background in science, but he also represents the country’s top coal-mining state—and scientific studies show that coal pollution is one of the primary causes of climate change. Any policy to curb climate change would likely hurt Wyoming’s economy.

Democrats in the same position, such as Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, have long been open about this conundrum—the need to address the crisis that climate science says is coming while somehow saving the jobs that could be lost in the fossil-fuel industry. Coal-state Democrats don’t necessarily have a solution; plenty of them clam up when asked about controversial proposals such as cap-and-trade and pollution regulations. But it’s rare to find a Democrat who denies outright the overwhelming scientific consensus that carbon emissions from oil, coal, and gas—also known as greenhouse gases—are causing the world’s climate to warm.

That’s not the case for Republicans. Over the past year, GOP politicians have increasingly questioned or flatly denied the established science of climate change. As the presidential primaries heat up, the leading candidates have either denied the verdict of climate scientists or recanted their former views supporting climate policy. As the tea party grows in influence, and the fossil-fuel industry injects unprecedented levels of spending into the electoral system, challenging climate science has become, in some circles, as much of a conservative litmus test as opposing taxes. Conservatives such as Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma, who notoriously called climate change a hoax, once were marginalized. Now Inhofe tells National Journal he feels that he’s “come in from the cold.”
ON THE TRAIL

In his first week of campaigning for president, Texas Gov. Rick Perry said that climate change was a theory that “still has not been proven” and was driven in part by a “substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data” to secure research grants. In his book Fed Up! he dismissed climate science as a “contrived phony mess that is falling apart.”

Mitt Romney, who as governor tasked the Massachusetts Environmental Protection Division with creating a policy to fight climate change, has now walked back his pronouncements that human activity causes global warming.

Newt Gingrich, who in 2009 recorded an ad with then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling on Congress to take action on climate change, recently called that ad “the dumbest single thing I’ve done in recent years.” Jon Huntsman, the one Republican presidential candidate who stands by views that climate change is real and caused by humans, is reaping support from about 1 percent of GOP primary voters.

Despite the rhetoric on the campaign trail, a quiet but significant number of prominent Republican politicians and strategists accept the science of climate change and fear that rejecting it could not only tar the party as “antiscience” but also drive away the independent voters who are key to winning general elections. “There’s a pretty good-sized chunk of the Republican caucus that believes that global warming is happening, and it’s caused at least in part by mankind,” said Mike McKenna, a strategist with close ties to the GOP’s leadership. “You can tell these guys are uncomfortable when you start to talk about science.”

As recently as the last presidential election, the debate in Republican circles was far different. John McCain’s 2008 campaign ads promised that as president, he would tackle climate change. Not only that, but McCain was a lead sponsor of the first major Senate cap-and-trade bill in 2003. In a 2008 interview with ABC’s Charles Gibson, Sarah Palin asserted that climate change was affecting Alaska, and in the vice presidential debate she said she would support a cap on carbon emissions. In January 2008, then-Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who was head of the National Governors Association, recorded a radio ad with Democrat Janet Napolitano, then Arizona governor, urging Congress to act. “Come on, Congress: Let’s get moving.… Cap greenhouse-gas pollution now,” Pawlenty urged.

What changed? Not the scientific evidence. In fact, recent reports from the National Academy of Sciences show that the data and consensus on the principles of climate change are stronger than ever. The reports have concluded that increasing levels of carbon dioxide, produced primarily by burning coal and oil, are trapping heat in the Earth’s atmosphere. A November scientific report by the Nobel Prize-winning United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concludes those rising temperatures will, over the next century, bring an increase in the frequency and intensity of heat waves, heavy precipitation, hurricanes, droughts, floods, and rising sea levels.

In November, Richard Muller, a prominent physicist at the University of California (Berkeley) who was cited by climate skeptics after he questioned some of the data used in Al Gore’s movie An Inconvenient Truth, released the results of his two-year Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Project, a new study of global temperatures around the world. In an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal, Muller wrote, “Our results turned out to be close to those published by prior groups. We think that means that those groups had truly been very careful in their work, despite their inability to convince some skeptics of that.… Global warming is real.”

Here’s what has changed for Republican politicians: The rise of the tea party, its influence in the Republican Party, its crusade against government regulations, and the influx into electoral politics of vast sums of money from energy companies and sympathetic interest groups.

Republicans have long had close financial ties to the fossil-fuel industry, of course. Between 1998 and 2010, the oil-and-gas industry gave 75 percent of its $284 million in political contributions to Republicans. But the 2010 Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, which allowed unlimited corporate spending on campaign advertisements, opened up a whole new avenue for interest groups to influence campaigns by flooding the airwaves with ads that support a political candidate or position. In the 2010 elections alone, the top five conservative and pro-industry outside groups and political action committees—including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Karl Rove-backed PAC American Crossroads, which have close ties to fossil-fuel interests—spent a combined $105 million to support GOP candidates (compared with a combined $8 million that the top five environmental groups spent to back Democrats). Both sides could double those numbers in 2012.

Among the most influential of the new breed of so-called super PACs is the tea party group Americans for Prosperity, founded by David and Charles Koch, the principal owners of Koch Industries, a major U.S. oil conglomerate. As Koch Industries has lobbied aggressively against climate-change policy, Americans for Prosperity has spearheaded an all-fronts campaign using advertising, social media, and cross-country events aimed at electing lawmakers who will ensure that the oil industry won’t have to worry about any new regulations.

Tim Phillips, president of Americans for Prosperity, says there’s no question that the influence of his group and others like it has been instrumental in the rise of Republican candidates who question or deny climate science. “If you look at where the situation was three years ago and where it is today, there’s been a dramatic turnaround. Most of these candidates have figured out that the science has become political,” he said. “We’ve made great headway. What it means for candidates on the Republican side is, if you … buy into green energy or you play footsie on this issue, you do so at your political peril. The vast majority of people who are involved in the [Republican] nominating process—the conventions and the primaries—are suspect of the science. And that’s our influence. Groups like Americans for Prosperity have done it.”
NO WAY OUT

What makes the climate-change problem so difficult for Republicans is that the menu of solutions boils down to an unpalatable handful. Nearly all economists say that the best way to solve the greenhouse-gas problem is with a tax. Put a tax on what you want to reduce—in this case, emissions caused by burning oil and coal—and consumers will use less of it. Politically, that idea has been a nonstarter.

Reagan administration economists came up with a mechanism to cut carbon emissions in a way that harnesses the free market: cap-and-trade. Cap the number of tons of carbon pollution that can be produced, and allow industry to buy and sell permits to pollute. Direct regulation is another way to achieve that goal: Government agencies simply dictating to businesses what they need to do to cut pollution. Most experts say that any global-warming solution will probably also have to include some government spending to promote the development of non-fossil-fuel forms of energy.

All three of these options are anathema to the tea party. So what’s a Republican who believes in climate science—but also believes in the tea party’s ability to influence elections—to do?

“I think that there is some genuine soul-searching going on,” said a GOP operative who, like most of the party’s staffers and strategists interviewed for this story, spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the issue. “If you look around at the environment, there’s nobody smart [saying], ‘No, there’s nothing going on.’ But the tea party is a political necessity.”

For much of the Republican Party, the current strategy on climate science is to, literally, run away from the question.
CHASING LAWMAKERS

In an effort to survey Republicans on climate change, National Journal reporters reached out to every GOP senator and representative. Over the course of several weeks, reporters either attempted to interview lawmakers in person, or called or e-mailed their offices.

Most, like Barrasso, rebuffed repeated inquiries. Some flatly refused to answer questions when approached in person, and their offices declined to respond to repeated phone calls and e-mail requests. “It’s not a conversation senators feel comfortable having,” a Republican staffer said.
Several aides initially said that their bosses would be happy to take part in interviews or answer written questions—only to follow up later with clipped refusals.

One GOP House staffer wrote to National Journal to ask if the responses could remain anonymous. Upon learning that the comments would be on the record, the aide said that her boss could not respond. “This issue is too gray and thorny for us to answer in the black-and-white terms you’ve laid out,” wrote the staffer—who agreed to be quoted only anonymously.

Here are the questions NJ asked the Republican members of Congress: Do you think climate change is causing the Earth to become warmer? How much, if any, of global climate change do you think is attributable to human activity? What is the government’s most appropriate response to the issue of climate change?

In the end, 65 GOP lawmakers—40 House members and 25 senators across the ideological spectrum agreed to respond.

Twenty of the 65 Republicans said they think climate change is causing the Earth to warm; 13 said that climate change isn’t causing the Earth to warm; and 21 said they didn’t know, the science isn’t conclusive, or they didn’t want to answer the question definitively. Nineteen said that human activities do contribute to climate change—but of those 19, only five said they believed a “significant amount” of climate change was due to human activity, while 14 said they believed human activity contributes “very little” to climate change. Five said they believed that climate change was not at all attributable to human activity.

The only lawmakers who seemed eager to respond to the questions were the full-throated climate-change skeptics. Inhofe, for example, gladly held forth in an interview off the Senate floor about what he views as the false premise of climate science. Later, when his aide told him the office had received a separate query by e-mail, he called a reporter back on her cell phone to be sure his opinion had fully registered.

Freshman Rep. Allen West of Florida, a leading voice in the House’s Tea Party Caucus, was also unequivocal: “I believe in climate change—winter, spring, summer, or fall,” he said. “Do you believe climate change is causing the Earth to become warmer?” he was asked. “No,” he responded firmly.

Among the offices that refused repeated requests to answer questions was House Speaker John Boehner’s. The speaker’s job is to maintain unity in a caucus constantly on the verge of fracturing and to also try to increase his party’s majority in 2012. His advisers fear that taking a clear position on climate change could crack the caucus in two and stop the cash flow from the biggest campaign money machines.

The problem is that Boehner already has taken a position on climate change. In a July 15, 2008, interview on CNN, he said, “I think that John McCain’s position is not really very different from most Republicans’. The fact is that we have had climate change. Clearly, humans have something to do with it.”

But in November 2010, after the tea party juggernaut swept Republicans into power in the House, Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor formulated a strategy to attack the Obama administration relentlessly on fossil-fuel and climate-change regulations but to keep silent on the issue of climate science. Some tea party Republicans, such as Texan Joe Barton, who is Inhofe’s prominent climate-skeptic counterpart in the House, had looked forward to holding hearings aimed at tearing down the established science. Boehner told Barton to lay off—out of fear, as one staffer put it, that such hearings would get the party branded as “flat-earthers.”

“The speaker’s office made a decision early on not to talk about the science,” said a Republican operative who works closely with House leadership and asked to speak anonymously in order to be candid. “The leadership guys said, ‘We’re not going to talk about it; we’re not going to hold hearings on it; we think the science argument’s a loser.’ ”
REVERSING COURSE

No one exemplifies Republicans’ difficulties on climate better than Fred Upton, the Michigander who chairs the House Energy and Commerce Committee, the powerful panel charged with writing (and repealing) laws regulating the oil and coal industry’s fossil-fuel emissions. Like his friend Boehner, Upton used to talk about the need to tackle climate change. But the chairman, who in his last campaign received $20,000 from Koch Industries, has had to awkwardly reposition himself to accommodate the new GOP order.

Upton once called climate change a “serious problem” on his website (a phrase he deleted after the 2010 elections), endorsed reductions in greenhouse-gas emissions, and sponsored bipartisan legislation to promote the use of energy-efficient lightbulbs. All of that changed after the midterm elections, when he ran against Barton for the chairmanship of the powerful Energy panel. Barton, who likes to say he was “tea party before tea party was cool,” ran an aggressive campaign, challenging Upton’s conservative bona fides (the lightbulb legislation, in particular). Upton tacked hard to the right.

When pressed repeatedly on his views on climate change during an on-stage February interview with National Journal, Upton said he believes that the planet is warming—but not because of human actions. “If you look, the last year was the warmest year on record, the warmest decade on record. I accept that. I do not say that it’s man-made,” Upton said. He has since introduced legislation with Inhofe to overturn the Environmental Protection Agency’s scientific finding that greenhouse pollution threatens public health—a move that surprised some of his constituents.

“I’ve heard Fred Upton say he accepts the science of climate change, at a constituent breakfast two years ago,” said Knute Nadelhoffer, director of the University of Michigan’s Biological Station. “Well, now he appears to be ignoring it or agreeing with the deniers. We want to know why. That’s not a responsible way to craft policy.… We have clear patterns of changing climate in the Great Lakes region—more big storms in spring, more floods that are compromising our coastal cities, and more heat waves and droughts in the summer.”

House Democrats, hoping to spotlight such inconsistencies, insisted that Upton’s committee hold a hearing on climate science. Eventually, in March, he did—but counseled by GOP leadership, almost no Republican members showed up.

More recently, a reporter caught up with Upton in the Speaker’s Lobby off the House floor and asked his views on how much human activity may contribute to climate change. The ever-friendly Upton smiled and said, “I’m not going to go there, thanks,” and headed toward the House floor, where reporters can’t follow.
ISSA AND HALL

Less cheerful than Upton was Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the brash chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. He has helped spearhead House Republicans’ attacks on EPA’s new climate-change and coal regulations, bashing them with the “job-killing” stigma. Asked if he believed that climate change is causing the Earth to become warmer, Issa responded, “You mean, the global cooling that’s been going on for the last 10 years, according to scientists? The science has just said we’ve had we’ve had 10 years of no warming.”

In fact, last year NASA reported that January 2000 to December 2009 was the warmest decade on record since the 1880s. The reporter noted the number of such studies—and asked Issa to clarify his answer. “Are you saying, no, you don’t think climate change is causing the Earth to become warmer?”

Issa snapped back angrily, “Do you realize how silly your question is? Your question, if you were going to ask it, is, ‘Do you think increased CO2 is causing the Earth to become warmer?’ I think it may contribute—I have no question that it may be.” He glared at the reporter and said angrily, “Next time, learn to ask your questions,” turned on his heel, and headed back to the House floor.

One senior House Republican who appears comfortable with his positions on climate science is Texan Ralph Hall, chairman of the House Science Committee. Asked if climate change is causing the Earth to become warmer, the lawmaker charged with shaping national science policy responded, “I don’t think it’s the cause. I don’t think we can control what God controls.” Hall said that on the issue of climate science, he is “pretty close” to the stance of his fellow Texan, Rick Perry—believing that climate science may be a conspiracy theory put forth by scientists who are working in concert to receive funding for research. A reporter pointed out that last year, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences published a survey concluding that 97 percent of climate-science researchers are in consensus that human activities have led to global warming. “And they each get $5,000 for every report like that they give out,” Hall scoffed. He added, “I don’t have any proof of that. But I don’t believe ’em.”
GOP DISSENTERS

Rep. Judy Biggert, R-Ill., who sits on the House Science Committee, has a special relationship with scientists—they’re her constituents. Her district includes the Energy Department’s Argonne National Laboratory, which researches high-energy physics and is developing technology that could enable electric cars to travel twice their current distance before recharging. Biggert worries that candidates like Perry will get the party branded as antiscience. “We seem to be moving ahead in a vein that’s not the scientific way,” she said of Republicans. “And that’s a shame, because there are a lot of us that really believe in the sciences and look to scientists. It’s a concern.”

Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., a moderate elder statesman who is deeply respected among his party’s old guard, has long been on the record with his worries about the effects of climate change. He signed up his 604-acre farm to participate in the (now defunct) volunteer Chicago Climate Exchange cap-and-trade program, and he has not changed his views about climate science—even though he is expected to be a tea party target in 2012. Lugar calls the Washington climate-change debate “very ill-informed.”

In part, he blames the scientific community for failing to translate and communicate its findings clearly to policymakers in language they can understand. The complexity and nuance is surely ill-suited to the sound-bite simplicity of the Beltway debate. But Lugar says that the only way science can stand up for itself is by entering the fray—loudly, clearly, and simply.

“Many would argue that a predominant number of scientists have said this or that—but whatever they’ve said has not come clearly through to laypersons or members of Congress.… I have gone to conferences for several years and have pled for indicators … that would make a difference in terms of my being able to argue, “ he said. “This may be impractical, but in Times Square, there’s an indicator of how the public debt is rising. We’re going to have to have, for there to be a good public discussion about this, some metric which is understandable.”

But Lugar, like every other lawmaker in Washington, knows full well that Congress has no chance of taking up climate-change legislation any time in the near future. For now, the only policy action that might be possible is battening down the hatches against the floods and droughts that scientists say are on their way—something Lugar saw firsthand when his state suffered devastating flooding earlier this year. “In terms of public policy, we’ll have to deal with more violent storms in the planning of governance for cities that abut rivers and oceans. Whether you buy climate change or not, as a public servant you had better be prepared for many more climate disasters.”
OVERWHELMING SCIENCE

The data showing that combustion of fossil fuels produces emissions that warm the Earth’s atmosphere are ample and historic, and have been rigorously reviewed.

Over the past 18 years, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences has produced more than 40 scientific reports and studies on climate change. The most recent, released in May, concludes, “Climate change is occurring, is very likely caused by human activities, and poses significant risks for a broad range of human and natural systems. Each additional ton of greenhouse gases emitted commits us to further change and greater risks…. The environmental, economic, and humanitarian risks of climate change indicate a pressing need for substantial action to limit the magnitude of climate change and to prepare to adapt to its impacts.”

The world’s largest general-scientific society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, has published this official statement: “The scientific evidence is clear: Global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.… The pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years. The time to control greenhouse-gas emissions is now.”

The world’s major national scientific institutes, including the official academies of Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Japan, Mexico, Russia, and the United Kingdom have independently published concurring conclusions.

So have the American Chemical Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Institute of Physics, the American Medical Association, the American Meteorological Society, the American Physical Society, the American Society of Agronomy, the American Society for Microbiology, the Crop Science Society of America, the Geological Society of America, the Soil Science Society of America, and the World Health Organization—among many other scientific bodies.

In June 2010, a study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences concluded that 97 percent of climate scientists agree on the tenets of anthropogenic, or human-caused, climate change, a level of consensus that the journal called “striking,” given the uncertainty often present in scientific research.

No scientific body of national or international standing has offered a dissenting opinion.

“It’s a very, very strong consensus,” says Ralph Cicerone, president of the National Academy of Sciences and chair of the National Research Council. The level of certainty within the scientific community that burning fossil fuels warms the global atmosphere is comparable, he said, to the level of scientific certainty that vaccines prevent diseases such as measles and polio.

Perry and some other skeptics say that the scientific consensus on climate change is a fraud perpetrated by scientists working in concert—and that climate scientists falsely manipulate evidence to show that climate change is taking place so they can secure funding or prominence. Scientists say that the rigors of the independent peer-review process effectively make the former claim impossible—and that the latter claim simply doesn’t make sense, because what brings the greatest fame and fortune in science is successfully disproving accepted theories.

“The whole system works on evidence, repeatability, doing the same calculations, testing rigorously to get the same result,” Cicerone says. “If you’re working on a topic the public is interested in, there are more and more people watching what you’re doing. You couldn’t perpetrate a fraud if you wanted to.”

Some skeptics also point to the “climate-gate” controversy as evidence that that the body of climate science, or the peer-review process, has been undermined.

In November 2009, just before a major U.N. climate-change summit in Copenhagen, Denmark, aimed at forging a world treaty to cut fossil-fuel emissions, hackers breached the server of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit and released thousands of e-mail exchanges between the university’s climate scientists. A small number of those messages contained language that Republican politicians, including Inhofe and Palin, said indicated that the scientists were attempting to falsify climate data. Every independent review of the e-mails concluded otherwise.

Despite the exoneration, the e-mail release succeeded in changing the public debate in the U.S., where GOP lawmakers continue to point to the East Anglia e-mails as evidence that climate science is not settled—and as a reason not to act on climate change. Last month, just a week before this year’s U.N. climate summit in Durban, South Africa, hackers released a second batch of East Anglia e-mails, culled from the original batch released in 2009, evidently with the aim of once again reigniting climate-science skepticism. Once again, the scientific community said that the e-mails do not disprove the core underpinnings of climate science—but they do give new fuel to climate skeptics.

“The science at East Anglia was fine,” Cicerone says. “But I think [the East Anglia scientists] were just angry. They were too poorly equipped, scruffy, and informal an outfit to show everyone all their data all the time. On the scientific consensus, there’s no impact at all—although on public opinion there was an impact.”
SPEAKING OUT

Some senior Republicans who have left the battlefield of electoral politics are starting to go vocal with their worries about their party’s stance on climate change—and to take action to stave off its electoral consequences. They fear, in the words of one GOP operative, “that the party is going to drive itself off a cliff with this.”

Conservative economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a senior adviser on McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign who now heads the American Action Forum, a center-right think tank, is working with the climate-policy advocacy group Clean Air-Cool Planet. The New Hampshire-based group has flown Holtz-Eakin to the state several times over the past few months to talk to voters in small living-room meetings about the economic threats of climate change—and the economic benefits of addressing the problem.

Another prominent Republican, John Warner, the former senator from Virginia and secretary of the Navy, is a senior adviser to the Pew Project on National Security, Energy, and Climate, which focuses on the need to develop alternative energy to combat climate change and lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil. Warner, who cosponsored a major cap-and-trade bill when he was in the Senate, now travels the country, including stops at military bases, calling attention to the national-security concerns of climate change and fossil-fuel dependence.

Working with Warner on the Pew climate-change project is George Shultz, President Reagan’s secretary of State and an adviser to George W. Bush’s 2000 presidential campaign. Last year, Shultz, who is a distinguished fellow at Stanford University, cochaired the “No on Prop. 23” campaign in California, which successfully defended the state’s pioneering cap-and-trade law against an oil industry-led effort to overturn it.

“My own opinion is that this problem is very real,” Shultz told National Journal. “I recognize there are a lot of people pooh-poohing it. Whether they like the science or not, there’s a huge problem coming at us. There’s a huge melt coming in the Arctic regions. There’s melting taking place.” Of Perry and other Republicans who deny climate science, Shultz said, “They’re entitled to their opinion, but they’re not entitled to the facts.”
Former GOP Rep. Bob Inglis of South Carolina, who lost his primary race last year in part because he acknowledged climate change, gives speeches and lectures across the country about the need for conservatives to do likewise and begin working on solutions to the problem. Otherwise, the Republican Party will be labeled antiscience, he warns. Inglis takes his message directly to conservative strongholds such as Federalist clubs and meetings of the Conservative Political Action Conference.

“Being branded as antiscience is not a good future for us,” Inglis told National Journal. “How can we say to young people, we’re dismissing science? That’s not a good place for our party to be, and it’s not historically where we’ve been. There are conservative voices that will hopefully show the way back to conservatism and away from a populist rejection of science.”

On November 8, William Reilly, who ran the Environmental Protection Agency under President George H.W. Bush, blasted his party’s stance on science in a widely reported speech. “For some of the most prominent leaders of the Republican Party, science has left the building,” he said. “Science doesn’t feature prominently in these debates. Republicans once were the party of science where environmental policy was concerned,” Reilly contended. Of House Republicans’ recent unanimous vote to overturn EPA’s scientific finding that climate change poses a public health threat, he said, “There was no explanation justifying a position at odds with the findings of 11 National Academies of Science, including our own.”

Another longtime GOP ally, Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, is also disturbed by the party’s shift toward science denial. Anderson, who is Tim Pawlenty’s pastor and worked with the former Minnesota governor on his state climate-change initiatives, in 2006 joined with other prominent evangelicals in sending a letter to President George W. Bush arguing that no legitimate scientific debate remained on the merits of climate science and that evangelicals had a moral obligation to solve a problem that threatens the world’s most vulnerable people.

“Most evangelicals in other countries believe that there is climate change and that we need to do something. It seems to be an American position to deny that,” Anderson told National Journal. “It’s curious to me that there are people who have taken strong positions and then changed them. Many of the candidates were expressing concern four or five years ago. Whenever there are sea changes on particular issues and many get on board, you wonder what changed the political or cultural climate.”
POLITICAL CALCULATIONS

So, will climate-science skepticism help or hurt the Republican Party in the long run? It’s clear that GOP candidates who want to win the backing of the conservative base and the financial support of tea party PACs believe that denying climate science will help them win primary races—and polls show that they are probably correct.

In a Pew survey last spring, 75 percent of staunch conservatives, 63 percent of libertarians, and 55 percent of so-called Main Street Republicans said there was no solid evidence of global warming. Those views are far out of step, however, with those of the general public: Overall, Pew found, 59 percent of adults say there is solid evidence that the Earth’s average temperature has been getting warmer over the past few decades. GOP candidates’ climate-science skepticism could win primaries but lose general elections.

An August poll conducted by researchers at Stanford University found that 77 percent of respondents would vote for a candidate who said he or she believed that climate change was happening and caused by fossil fuels; only 48 percent said they would vote for a candidate who said that science hasn’t shown that humans are changing the climate. Perhaps most notably for the many Republicans who are desperately trying to avoid being pinned down on climate change, 65 percent said they would vote for a candidate who was silent on the issue.

In the long term, Reilly and other voices within the GOP fear that the party’s inevitable reckoning with science may come too late. “Somehow, we’re operating on two levels of reality,” he said. “One is ideological reality, which seems to work for some ideologues. But there is also the scientific reality. It was Republicans who traditionally have pushed for more science to underpin regulations. Science has suffered most severely in the current Republican Party. The ideologues will deny it right up to a point where there’s … a crisis—and then they won’t anymore.”
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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/12/heads-sand/45707/

stumbler · Dec 27, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

supporting killing people who might just be innocent? Are you referring to the violent rapists and murderers and islamonatzis that we have no quams about putting to death after being convicted by their peers and exhausting all appeals?
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Nope I'm referring to the innocent people your state might have already executed.

GOP debate audience cheers Perry’s execution record

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/gop-debate-audience-cheers-perrys-execution-record/

Did Texas execute an innocent man?

THE CANTU CASE: DEATH AND DOUBT
Eyewitness says he felt influenced by police to ID the teen as the killer

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Did-Texas-execute-an-innocent-man-1559704.php

Texas May Have Executed Innocent Man

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112488253

Its just not a winning idea with the rest of the country.

Death Penalty Decline Continues

As 2011 comes to end, we’re taking a look back at the year in criminal justice. Over the next few days, we’ll run a series of blog posts on the developments, good and bad, that have shaped our justice system – from overincarceration and sentencing policy to the treatment of prisoners and capital punishment. Read the series here.

Another year gone by, another huge step towards abolition of the death penalty.

As we close out 2011, we have a lot to be excited about. We continue to see a steep decline in death sentences and executions in the United States, a trend we’ve observed over the last few years. Public support for the death penalty is at an all-time low, as more people recognize safe sentencing alternatives to the death penalty like life without parole and realize that the exorbitant costs of seeking the death penalty are simply not worth it.
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http://www.aclu.org/blog/capital-punishment/death-penalty-decline-continues

stumbler · Dec 27, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

Or are you referring to those evil unborn babies that commit such savage acts against their mother's personal lives and thighs? I just don't know what you're talking about you incoherent junkie.
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Nope, like I said I am referring to states executing innocent people and the conservative/Republican/Tea party's support for it when the rest of the nation is turning against capitol punishment.

And of course the fact that most people still support a woman's right to abortion as demonstrated by these polls.

Americans Show Rising Support for Abortion Rights: Poll

Results of Harris Interactive/HealthDay survey run counter to states' recent efforts to curb access

http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=655109

As well as the rejection of anti abortion initiatives like the one in Mississippi.

Mississippi voters reject anti-abortion initiative

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-09/...-abortion-initiative-amendment?_s=PM:POLITICS

stumbler · Dec 27, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

Booing gay soldiers in combat zones
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OH YES!!! Now that was a classic because everyone claims to support our troops in a time of war but the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers proved they only support heterosexual troops in war zones and hate homosexuals even if they are putting their lives on the line to protect us and this naiton.

Gay soldier booed at GOP debate; candidates stay mum

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...ldier-booed-at-gop-debate-candidates-stay-mum

easttexasbadboy32 said:

and overt racism
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Absolutely.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Tea+...KFOOSiQKI4ZiABg&ved=0CEgQsAQ&biw=1252&bih=609

Tea Party Group Accused Of Racism For Comparing President Obama To A Skunk

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/tea-party-group-accused-of-racism-for-comparing-ob

Ron Paul and the racist newsletters (Fact Checker biography)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ker-biography/2011/12/21/gIQAKNiwBP_blog.html

easttexasbadboy32 said:

and protection of the 1%?
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Scott Brown Breaks With GOP, Endorses Consumer Protection Agency Nominee

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/15/368495/brown-supports-consumer-protection-nominee/

GOP Peddles Fiction to Protect 1% from Paying 1 Red Cent

http://www.democraticleader.gov/blog/?p=4621

easttexasbadboy32 said:

We're rich homophobic racists? That's news to me!
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Yeppers that's what you are and it would be news to a brainwashed parrot spouting bits of false propaganda that got washed into your brain now wouldn't it?

stumbler · Dec 27, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

I'm not a republican, I'm a conservative independent.
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Nope. You are simply a brainwashed parrot spouting bits and pieces of false propaganda that got washed into your head and have no basis in truth or reality.

And your next personal attack will further establish that beyond reasonable doubt.

easttexasbadboy32 said:

Never been into gay sex so not into tea bagging (but I won't judge you for what you do behind closed doors stumbles.)
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Me either but I do believe its nobody's business who someone is fucking as long as they are consenting adults. And so I oppose discrimination against anyone no matter who they are fucking. They can fuck who they want, love who they want and marry who they want.

Which makes you a lying hypocrite because you say you don't object here but support the conservative/Republican/Tea Party that does boo them and try to make them less than an American citizen with the same rights as everyone else.

stumbler · Dec 27, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

As I've said before, freedom to use dangerous drugs must come with the personal responsibility for their effects on your body and others. Liberals refuse to demand personal responsibility so we have to support limiting access to such substances. It's a cause/effect thing in my book.
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No what you've actually done is just prove what a mindless hypocrite you really are. Personal freedom and personal responsibility? Unless its a woman trying to decide what to do with her own body. Then you personal freedom and personal liberty hypocrites get to tell her what she can and can't do because after all she had sex against the teachings of the Bible.

And people can't be trusted to take drugs they can't be allowed to undertake both the freedom of their own choices and the personal responsibility that comes with them. OH no while the real drug problems are with our legal prescription drugs you hypocrites even keep Marijuana illegal because of its natural medicinal properties and because we could supply 90% of our petroleum needs with bio mass production of it, when it is not physically addictive and has never had a single fatal overdose in more than 5,000 years of use.

But while tobacco, alcohol, and prescription drugs kill more people than all illegal drugs combined you want to sit there and dictate to others what they can and cannot do.

Here's some personal responsibility for you. If you are addicted to a substance you are going to stop taking that substance one way or the other. Either by quitting or by dying but that choice and its consequences are your PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Because one way or the other society's problem is solved because you stopped.

That's true freedom and true personal responsibility you phony hypocrite.

stumbler · Dec 27, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

Abortion is a touchy subject.
One side wants unlimited unregulated at will abortion on demand at the taxpayers expense.
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You are a phony liar right there Texas boy. And notice the little boy this time because no one on the left wants any such thing and the only you can win this argument is to make up a lie in your own head.

easttexasbadboy32 said:

If you're due to deliver on Friday evening you have until that moment to change your mind (so long as you kill the baby before it pops out completely, no harm no foul!)
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Again you lying phony fucker. How many times does that happen? And is it convenience or a life saving procedure for the mother? What a chickenshit liar you are to even pretend such a thing.

When the truth is its the people on the right that want to outlaw everyone's right to abortion and even make birth control illegal.

easttexasbadboy32 said:

The other side wants no abortion under any circumstances at any time by anyone. So a child is raped by a family member and impregnated, tough and have fun with your new little bundle of joy!
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Bullshit you posturing phony. Again you use the most extreme cases. Pretend you're neutral and yet support and vote for the very same people that would do exactly what you say and are trying that right now.

You support those who say if your raped by your relative or a stranger you have to have that baby.

And the same phony hypocrite that said people who have babies like that just want the government to pay for them.

So I don't care what you want to call yourself what you really are is a self righteous, phony brainwashed parrot.

easttexasbadboy32 said:

Me, and most others, lie somewhere in the middle. We realize that babies are 'born' earlier and earlier with no long-term problems http://www.miraclebabies.org.au/premature-sick-babies/family-birth-stories/23-weeks-and-younger/ but also accept that mistakes can happen to girls who really don't 'get it' and have never been educated about how these things work. There are compromises and we just hear from the extremes.
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And sit right here and support those who want to outlaw all abortion and turn us into a Christian nation because you already said you'd vote for what ever Republican was on the ballot.

stumbler · Dec 28, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

We crank out graduates, doesn't mean they're smart. Is that your 'proof' that we're not getting fucked in the ass raw by untouchable teachers unions and self-justifying bureaucrats? Puhleeze! I interview public school graduates for part time jobs so save your bullshit for someone who might be LESS in tune with the current fruit of our education system. I had candidates read from classic American writings (like Catcher in the Rye and the Declaration of Independence) and they struggle with proper english like it's a foreign language. These are our 'graduates', they struggle to read their own language, and you're pleased only because you have no fucking idea what's really going on.
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Now I'm sure you and everyone else is by now noticing I'm losing patience with your total self righteous phoniness and I don't apologize for that one bit because you are a gutless fraud.

I asked by what standard is our public school system failing pointing out we have one of the highest literacy rates, we graduate most of our students and we try to educate everyone in the mainstream regardless of mental and physical disabilities.

And what do you come back with? Some personal anecdote that's just as phony as you are without even trying to address what I asked.

Now if you would have taken the tact of just how stupidly and gramatically incorrect you write you might have a point.

But you are too much of a stupid brainwashed parrot to even see that.

Here you phony little boy:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showthread.php?t=77202

stumbler · Dec 28, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

I'm not a libertarian, they are not in power, and I don't care what they WANT to do. What's your point?
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But Ron Paul sure is a Libertarian even though he's running as a Republican and you said you'd vote for any Republican if President Obama was on the other side of the ticket so all you're doing here is proving what a brainwashed phony parrot you really are.

stumbler · Dec 28, 2011

easttexasbadboy32 said:

How about Obama himself when answering how important fixing the economy is just after he was elected? "If I don't have this done in 3 years then this is going to be a 1-term proposition." http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/28974778#28974778

Then again, he hasn't been right about anything else so who knows.
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As I pointed out many posts ago President Obama is going to actually win on that promise because the economy and the nation is actually far better off than it was when he took office and all economic indicators show that including a decrease in unemployment and an increase in jobs.

And that is in spite of the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress doing everything in their power to kill jobs, stall the economy, and make the American people suffer just to try and keep President Obama and the Democrats from succeeding.

And they could not even do that right as all the polls and economic indicators clearly show.

easttexasbadboy32 said:

MERRY CHRISTMAS!
And have a safe New Years
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NON FUCK YOU TEXAS BOY YOU PHONY NON FUCKER.

And it will be a Happy New Year less than a year from now when your phony propaganda and obstructionism results in wins for President Obama and the Democrats.

stumbler · Dec 28, 2011

Anyone seen that PHONY Texas Boy?

stumbler · Jan 4, 2012

Why Obama’s Defying The GOP By Appointing Top Consumer Watchdog

President Obama on Tuesday missed his best opportunity to recess appoint his top consumer watchdog and other would-be officials being blocked by Senate Republicans. But that doesn’t mean he won’t do it at all, and with reports coming in that he’ll be making an announcement later today, it turns out there are several key reasons he held fire on Tuesday.

Despite his inaction, reports came through Wednesday morning that Obama will announce a recess appointment for Richard Cordray to run the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau at a speech in Ohio later today.

Cordray was a well-liked Ohio Attorney General until last year, after he was toppled by the GOP midterm wave in 2010.

Cordray’s an accidental victim of a brazen act of GOP obstruction. They’re refusing to allow an up-or-down vote on any CFPB nominee until the agency itself is fundamentally weakened — an extra-legal attempt to nullify a key portion of an act of law.

Sources working in official channels declined to comment — which means a Wednesday recess appointment is still possible. But it would constitute an unusual escalation by an administration that’s been fairly reluctant to test precedent on this particular separation of powers issue.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...p-consumer-watchdog-anyhow.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

stumbler · Jan 4, 2012

I probably should have put this up on the GOP Hilarity thread because I find it hilarious when President Obama makes the conservative/Republican/Tea Baggers in congress cry (which he's been doing a lot lately).:excited:

GOP Hints At Legal Challenge To Consumer Watchdog Recess Appointment

No surprise here. Top Republicans are ripping President Obama’s decision to recess appoint his top consumer watchdog, Richard Cordray.

“Although the Senate is not in recess, President Obama, in an unprecedented move, has arrogantly circumvented the American people by ‘recess’ appointing Richard Cordray as director of the new CFPB,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said in an official statement. “This recess appointment represents a sharp departure from a long-standing precedent that has limited the President to recess appointments only when the Senate is in a recess of 10 days or longer. Breaking from this precedent lands this appointee in uncertain legal territory, threatens the confirmation process and fundamentally endangers the Congress’s role in providing a check on the excesses of the executive branch.”

House Speaker John Boehner said, “This action goes beyond the President’s authority, and I expect the courts will find the appointment to be illegitimate.”

It’s unclear who would have legal standing to challenge Cordray’s recess appointment, though we’re looking into that and trying to suss out which stakeholders — both in Washington and in the financial services world — would have an appetite for it.

On the unprecedented nature of the appointment, McConnell and Boehner have a decent case. Both parties have used pro forma sessions to avoid recesses and thus block Presidents from making recess appointments — and, kosher or not, Presidents have respected this. Note — this is why some Cordray advocates were hoping to see him recess appointed yesterday, instead of today.

Legal experts have opined on both sides of the argument. Former top Bush administration lawyers argued in 2010 that Obama should pick this very fight with the Senate.

To mitigate the inter-party controversy, Democrats will note that Obama recess appointed Cordray because Republicans had vowed to block all CFPB nominees — in effect crippling it — until the agency was fundamentally weakened by statute. This too was unprecedented, and constituted a nullification of a key part of the Dodd-Frank law over policy objectives Republicans did not have enough backing to enact through the normal legislative process.

But now that Obama has called the Senate’s bluff on the use of pro forma sessions to block recess appointments, either the courts will have to weigh in, or that defensive practice will likely disappear.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...atchdog-recess-appointment.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

RandyKnight · Jan 4, 2012

kydave said: ↑

H.R.5470 Need anyone say more?:wall:
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not sure I understand...see e-mail

President Obama just signed the National Defense Authorization Act into law despite startling provisions that will allow the military to indefinitely detain American citizens.
It's a travesty, defying basic principles of justice and due process in perhaps the most extreme respect our nation has ever seen.

Thankfully, several lawmakers are keeping up the fight. Senator Dianne Feinstein has introduced legislation to undo these provisions of the NDAA, in the form of the Due Process Guarantee Act.

We need to urge other Senators to support it. Will you click here to ask your lawmakers to stand with us?

The Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011 amends the Non-Detention Act of 1971 by providing that a Congressional authorization for the use of military force does not authorize the indefinite detention—without charge or trial—of U.S. citizens who are apprehended domestically.

If there's enough of a public outcry, we have a real chance of making this happen:

More than 40 senators voted against the indefinite detention provisions of the NDAA -- and that was before the media and general public caught on to what was happening.

Please urge your Senators to remedy this terrible wrong. Just click here -- it'll only take a few seconds.

It's been a tough year for civil libertarians -- thanks for keeping up the fight.

-Demand Progress

P.S. If there's enough of a public outcry, we have a real chance of making this happen. Please use these links to ask your friends to join the fight:
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stumbler · Jan 4, 2012

RandyKnight said: ↑

not sure I understand...see e-mail
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They can't get a tax through congress in an election year. You think they can go back and address indefinite detention? I don't think so. The only thing that's going to help that is more elections and a less frightened electorate.

ace's n 8's · Jan 5, 2012

I'm not to sure,but I think this belongs in this thread.

Subpoena:Obama Released Enough Illegals to Fill Pittsburgh

November 4, 2011

Have any of the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant Barack Obama ordered released gone on to commit other crimes? Congressional Republicans think you deserve to know the answer,Congressional Democrats think finding out violate illegal aliens’rights,and the president is praying you’ll never find out.
The House Immigration Subcommittee voted to subpoena the names of all illegal immigrants referred to the government but not deported after the administration stonewalled releasing the records. The decision to authorize a subpoena passed on a 7-4 party-line vote.
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith said,“The American people have a right to know what crimes these 300,000 illegal immigrants committed after ICE intentionally chose not detain them.”Subcommittee chairman Elton Gallegly,R-CA,added he hoped to “uncover how many of these aliens committed additional crimes.”Meanwhile,Democrats on the committee insist subpoenas are unnecessary and do not respect illegals’rights. Rep. John Conyers of Michigan claimed the administration is “acting in good faith,”and Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren of California worries the subpoenas are an invasion of the illegal immigrants’privacy.
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I thought that the Obama administration was setting records on deporting illegal aliens,,How can that be??

stumbler · Jan 5, 2012

ace's n 8's said: ↑

I'm not to sure,but I think this belongs in this thread.

I thought that the Obama administration was setting records on deporting illegal aliens,,How can that be??
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That's what you get for believing the right wing false propaganda machine Ace.

Dec 28, 2011 4:31pm
Obama’s Record-High Deportations Draw Hispanic Scorn

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/obamas-record-high-deportations-draw-hispanic-scorn/

RandyKnight · Jan 5, 2012

stumbler said: ↑

They can't get a tax through congress in an election year. You think they can go back and address indefinite detention? I don't think so. The only thing that's going to help that is more elections and a less frightened electorate.
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I thought there was an amendment passed that threw that part out of the bill...

I do not know if that e-mail is a scare tactic or true...

Jesus keeping up with those slimy bastards is a full time job.

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