..........shooter, wandering by, realizes this debate is STILL going on............
"Doesn't someone else need this room?" he wanders to himself?

I mean, buncha puny hoomnas questioning God's actions. What, they think they have some secret knowledge they can share??.............

Holy shit! I hope they didn't find my secret decoder radio!! Last time that happened, supreme Commander banished me to Earth!

.........Shooter runs off to double check that his secret decoder radio is still safe and hidden...........

 

The idea that she was a whore is a vicious lie originally perpetrated by Pope Gregory in 591 AD. And Jesus wouldn't have had the wherewithal to pay her anyway.

 

Perhaps where you live the atheists say that, around here and on this site, there are many whom simply say "There is no god" like it's a statement of fact and then admonish those of us whom believe otherwise.

As for into porn and his comment about Judgement Day.. will that happen soon so we can get rid of you people?
Bowing and kneeling.. pfft, your Cannibal Zombie God is that fearful they require you to bow do they?

 

Aren't we entitled to be at least as certain of god's nonexistence as you are of his existence? I never hear Christians say they THINK God exists, or they're FAIRLY SURE God exists....

 

Thats a good question frankly and I dont know the answer to it. Why didnt God see it coming...maybe he did and maybe he didnt. As for making war on a supreme being...We dont know what power was bestowed upon lucifer at the beginning so we have no frame of reference to know if it was a bad idea or not. The fall of Lucifer was proceded by pride and ego...pride and ego have made many people do some realy crazy and poorly concieved things so it isnt entirely unreasonable to think that someone else might be just as tempted to do something stupid. Why would God engage in all this nonsense? I havent got a clue. And no, it frankly doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me either.

It is not unusual for people to create thier own worst enemies, we do it all the time. Is it inconcieveable that God could do the same thing? I dont know the answer to that. As for the entertainment value that God may have seen in this whole mess...that frankly is something I have struggled with in my belief and I do not have an answer to it. But without a frame of reference to determine all these things we realy cannot make a good argument one way or the other. Some may find my willingness to believe silly...and thats okay. I am good with it and I still chose to believe in something I cannot explain. On the plus side...I will never try to hit you over the head with it.

 

fornication

coveting thy neighbors wife (his hot slutty wife)

lust

premarital sex

JC wags his holy finger at all those vile hedonistic things

 

Pwn

 

I didn't say which whore, I thought he forgave everyone....In fact the whore I beleive you are talking about is the one Dan Brown proved he married....

 

Absolutely.
The issue arises when one side or the other insists everyone else is wrong and they are right.
Atheists are just as guilty as the people of faith for doing this.
Believe what you want to believe, just don't admonish others for not believing as you do.

 

Well, thank you for that, anyway, and for your candor.

It's just always seemed to me that Christians attribute a lot of very bad character traits to God. Bad, and all too human. He is portrayed as jealous, angry, vindictive and judgmental. He punishes innocent people for crimes committed by others. Once, he destroyed the entire human race except for one family. At other times, he orders his followers to rape and pillage on a massive scale, to commit genocide, and to enslave conquered peoples. He just doesn't seem to me to be a very appealing entity, even for a human being, much less a god.

'Nuff said.

 

It's not so much that we admonish people. We wish to discuss their reasons for believing as they do, just as we would wish to discuss the reasons for their views on politics or economics or social justice. Why should religious beliefs be sacrosanct, immune from question, debate, or challenge? It sometimes seems to me that believers are afraid of being put in the position of having to defend their beliefs, and therefore take the position that they should not be discussed, except with other believers.

 

Perhaps it is easier for some to pass blame onto a deity that can't be held accountable than to accept the guilt themselves.
"The Will of God" has been an excuse for some of the worst crimes against humanity throughout history.

 

So you can't prove that the Shakafukujasauruss (random jibberish) exists...
Does that mean he/she/it exists because you or I CAN'T prove it DOESN'T???
The burden of proof is on you to prove god exists, since you agree he/she/it DOES exist. See how it works? No evidence= no reason to believe.
Faith is not evidence, it's ignorance.

 

Few Jews and Christians believe in the literal truth of the first eleven chapters of Genesis. That includes the story of Noah's flood. Although Jewish and Christian soldiers have raped, I cannot remember reading about church leaders who recommended it.

George W. Bush said that God told him to invade Iraq. However, right before the invasion I watched the 700 Club. Pat Robinson said that God told him that He had reservations about the invasion, so President Bush may have gotten the wrong number.

 

I can understand why they might feel that the Old Testament is an embarrassment to Christians...but they're more than willing to cite it when they want to persecute gay people or justify slavery. And Jesus conspicuously did NOT say that the Old Testament was obsolete and defunct. I don't see too many bibles that leave it out.

 

When there is no evidence, the intelligent view is NON-BELIEF.
Failure to provide proof AGAINST the existence of something is completely unnecessary, since it's easily refutable with a LACK OF SUPPORTING EVIDENCE. If someone came up with an idea, they need evidence to back it up.

 

This is precisely the type of diatribe I was talking about.

How does it affect YOU what I believe? And what gives you the right to say I am wrong? That I am ignorant? I haven't died and come back to say with absolute certainty what is and isn't.
Have YOU?
Or do you have such absolute FAITH in the human intellect and experience that you have no doubt God doesn't exist? That you are omnipotent in your knowledge of the Universe that there is no room for doubt?
That you are Godlike in your wisdom?

 

You're right, Krieg...but most Christians DO profess to be certain that God exists. And not just any god, but THEIR god. And they accuse people of other faiths of being wrong, with utter certainty. Wrong, and damned to hell for all eternity.

If you do, in fact, have doubts, I can accept that. But you really can't have it both ways.

 

Playing the angel's advocate for a moment...most believers consider that they DO have evidence to back it up. It's evidence of a particular sort, though...and evidence that doesn't bear much objective, scientific scrutiny.

 

Religion should be removed from all laws and political issues. That is my opinion. Temples and places of worship should they be occupying a public space should be subject to the laws as any other building.
Religion has no place in social policy.
And I have no issue with people wanting know, wanting to understand by asking questions.
It's when they want to know for the sole purpose of refuting and admonishing those of faith that I take issue with.
For example; "the intelligent view is non-belief" implying those of us of faith are stupid, of lower intelligence than atheists.
Shall we apply the same standards of belief to other intangibles? Honour? Love? Compassion? Mercy? Morality?
I have heard many explain these things as simply a chemical cocktail your brain puts out.
You don't "love" your children, it is simply hormones produced by your brain to ensure the survival of your progeny.
After all, you have not seen hard physical evidence there is such a thing as love.
Your "morales" are simply a social construct to ensure you get along with others.

Let us go even further and discuss the "sanctity" of human life. You have yet to provide any hard clinical evidence that human life is "sacred". So by that thinking you should not be mourning the loss of a loved one. By cold logic they have already been replaced by a birth, ensuring the survival of the species.

Atheists demand we show proof, that my belief in my Gods is valid by some physical, measurable evidence. Not possible. never said I could. Nor do I demand you do believe.

But hey, if atheists want to label all of those of faith as ignorant and foolish, so be it.
By that standard it is justified to think all atheists are soulless amoral egotists with delusions of grandeur.
Door swings both ways.