OK I can say I agree with Scotsmitch2001.

I'll say the problem is mostly men's behavior. We can all have manners and still approach / test sexual receptivity without being offensively blunt, and when the opportunity fails to manifest, exit with a little courtesy and grace. Because the truth is that if a girl thinks you have sexual interest in her but didn't press her, if she continues to respect you after the first encounter, she MAY come around to giving you what you want. In the most manipulative sense you can think of it as cultivating a prospect; delayed gratification, but in the simplest sense, being nice goes a long way.

Young men have no idea how easy they have it to be honest. When you're a married man, and the only safe demographic to work with are other unhappily married women, the time investment is huge. My libido may be ravenous, but I am enormously selective about who I will be with. No instant shagging, no one-night stands, smaller risks of catching anything. Of course I'm off topic; sexuality and marriage is a topic for another thread.

ANYWAY.

If the OP has certain limits, there is certainly nothing wrong with that. Its her prerogative to decide where to stop. If she NEVER wanted to have sex in her life, its her prerogative. Now speaking as a man, and about women in general, I'd tend to stay away from women who have what I consider sexual pathologies, debilitating inhibitions, who aren't in tune with their sexuality and fail to satisfy themselves or others. As a young man, I would have probably tolerated anything for the experience, but I am not interested presently in teaching or begging an unexperienced woman for something she should know how to claim for herself. And that's my prerogative too. So I think there is a balance here : we need to treat women with respect and give them something of what they want too : affection, attention, security, and intellectual stimulation. It's not a lot to ask. I enjoy those things too. If she comes around, great, if not, exit. There is nothing that says a man ( or woman ) can't have multiple concurrent sexual interests. If a girl isn't sexually intimate with you, she has no right to jealousy anyway.

 

Interesting!
I'm sure that today things just go the same direction!
It depends who you meet and the circumstances...

Here, from my point of view, the OP has just made a mistake - she, as she stated at the start of this thread, wanted to pose as being a bad girl.

When the time came (to really be "bad"), she has suddenly remembered that, in fact, she's just a "good" girl...

Surely her partner, probably not so experienced, has been confused and disappointed in his expectations...

So, practically, this experience was a good experience for the OP, especially since, at the end of it, she got back home unharmed.

Morals: in front of the PC you may pretend that you are whoever you wish!
BUT!!! Don't think that things can go the same way in the real life!...

 

I have had great luck getting laid on the first date simply by not pushing it. I usualy ask if it would be alright if I kiss her and the answer is usualy yes. A few steps later and its off to a hotel room But I dont expect it and there are always signs as to weather or not she is a willing participant or not. Knowing when to back off and try for a second date is an important skill and it also shows her that you are willing to work a little as opposed to expecting her to simply give it up.

 

I so disagree with you Ovid.....She was molested by someone she thought of as a friend, by someone who when told no, decided that it didn't matter...That had nothing to do with whether the OP decided to be bad or good

 

but- it's sunday, everyone is asleep!

x3 you need to get pumped up for next weekend. put on some heals you can dance in, put on whore red make-up! have FUN!

good luck!

 

Look! I am really tired of this "general attitude" that, if a girl has said no, than the guy has to stop.

In spite of the fact that me, personally, I've never been able (and never wanted to)to force a woman into sex, I know that lots of men, from a certain point, just cannot take no for an answer!

So, if the woman starts acting like a slut (even dressing like one and going out in public places may be a start) and than, when things become "hot", she suddenly remembers that her momma has told her to have sex only after she gets married, than, sorry, but she's taken a really great risk!

And, just as a question - why do you think the clerical nuns aren't wearing short robes and showing their cleavages?!?

NOTE: Since your profile shows that you are 51 - that makes me expect a really mature answer from your side. Thanks.

 

hmmm i see

 

need some team work

 

I thought I was being the mature one.......a quick question...why is there so much sexual fantasies about nuns?.........The way I look at it is....a girl can do what the fuck she wants...she can be half naked and drunk but that doesnt give me the right to have sex with her..I have to show willpower, something that a lot of men seem to be lacking....Waht do you think girls should do Ovid?..not go out at night? and if they do go out be chaperoned? wear a burqua?....we should have curfews?......heaven forbid they should inflame our desires

 

Before this becomes a pissing contest,

Let me just remind everyone that "No!" fucking well means "No!" Not "Maybe." Usually not "Please" on s first date.

Second date? Maybe. My last wife used to say "No" all the time when I was making her cum.

But that was in a relationship that grew over time. She was a tough one to make cum, but once I figured it out, she was pretty happy.

But that's another story.

This guy was an asshole. He should be prevented from reproducing.

Thank you all for your patience with me. Pissing may now resume.

 

Maggy if you ever read my post on your thread you shouldnt need to go down to that level. In time you will find that guy that you are looking for it just matter of waiting no need to rush and wait.

Just go out and just have fun meet new people become friends and just let it flow

 

So, we're supposed to dress like nuns because men can't control themselves when confronted with a glimpse of female flesh? How positively medieval.

Fortunately, it isn't true. Men do NOT all turn into rapists the moment their dicks get hard. And make no mistake, what you're talking about is rape.

 

Allright than - since we are, both, the same generation (in spite of the long distance between us in kilometers), please answer, if you don't consider me becoming too personal, the following:

1. How many female family members of yours have been going, while being in their late teens or early twenties, going out at night, in restaurants, discos, pubs, whatever you may be calling them over there, without a trustful male companion?

2. How many "good" girls were going out wearing "slutty" outfits?
And, still, (if they were sluts for real), she was still being accompanied by the guy who was banging her...

3. How many cases of 11 (eleven) years old boys (and here is something that has happened to my own son!) do you know, that, having the sports class in school, to be "visited" in the locker room by a girl in a higher grade (13 yo) who has just taken off her t-shirt, showing him her boobs?
And, please note that he didn't even know her name!!!
What was I supposed to do? Press charges against that girl?!?
No, but if the law here would have permitted, I would have had some thing to deal with her parents!!!

4. Do you know that here, if a man has sex with a woman and she cannot produce evidence that she's been threatened with some kind of weapon, or blackmailed, or the male wasn't her teacher, tutor, parent, the sexual act is not considered rape?
Do you think it's a good law, or a bad law?

5. Do you think that the female citizens are entitled to do and / or request whatever they wish, sexually, while the male citizens are just supposed to submit to their desires, even if things have already gone "too far"?!?

Finally, the answer for you - no, sir, in my young days, seeing a woman wearing a burka, burma, or whatever outfits that are covering the entire body and / or face were, for us, here, just like seeing E.T. !!!

About the fantasies with nuns, sorry, but I take it as a joke!
Porn industry may be "spicing" the things however they can, in order to obtain some more money! But this is just porn industry! NOT real life!

 

I so don't know how to answer those questions Ovid.......
I have female family members who dress whatever way they like. Is it slutty if all they wear is a t-shirt and short skirt?...how tight is the t-shirt allowed to be before being to slutty?
how short the skirt?.....I have nieces who go into town with their fenmale friends and get drunk and party till whenever...and guess what...they don't need a fucking male companion to chaperone them, because, for good or bad, its a free fucking society.
As for rape? its kinda simple...if a woman says no or doesnt consent to sex and a man forces himself on her..it is rape.
If a man gets a woman drunk so he can have sex with her, it is rape.
If a man has sex with a woman and he cannot produce evidence that SHE consented..I class that as rape. The onus should never be on the woman.
Men should take responsibility for their actions.
If a girl of 13 takes off her t-shirt to a boy then yes you should report her. Age of consent and all that, it works both ways Ovid.
and
yes
If a woman strips naked for me, cups her breasts asking me to fuck her, if she then lies down and spreads her legs for me and as i climb onto her..if she then says no..that is her perogative and i should cease. because I can fuckin control my urges, My urges do not control me.

 

Honestly, I'm surprised...

Since I live in Europe, I can assure you that wearing a t-shirt and shorts IS NOT slutty.

Further more, if we are at the seaside, on the beach, we can see LOTS of young and very attractive women / girls braless, but... on the beach!!!
Please be absolutely sure that the same girls WON'T go braless at a club (they won't even be admitted to get inside!)

Another thing about the seaside - you can stay there in your bathing suit all day long, but, be sure that, except the terraces ON THE BEACH, nobody will let you enter a shop, restaurant, bar, whatever, wearing ONLY a bathing suit!...

I am not a fashion specialist, so I cannot start describing female outfits, but I can assure you that EVERYBODY can make the difference between a woman dressed casually and in accordance with the season, and a woman dressed as a slut.

When your nieces go out, I am sure that they go in places where things are under control - I hope I make myself clear - there are "good" places and "bad" places - and I'm pretty sure that this is valid all around the world (excepting, maybe, North Korea ).

Now, from my PERSONAL point of view - NO, sir! When a stupid shit-minded & / or retarded female kid of 13yo exposes her breasts in front of a kid, the problem is with her education - so I put the blame on the fucking idiot parents!

Anyway, before making official "moves" against the kid or her parents, I believe that you should make some "private" moves, like "discussing" the matter with the teachers & parents - I'm not a partisan of destroying someone's future, just because, at puberty, that person has let herself led by her hormones in an innapropriate way - in spite of the fact that I'm a Scorpio, I'm not THAT vindictive...
Now, my son is already 17yo and I'm sure that he has no "scars" left by that experience...

Now, the hard one:
If a man gets a woman drunk, without forcing her to drink, sorry, but that's not rape!
I know (and have seen it with my own eyes!) lots of women going into bars, pubs, or whatever, getting drunk and looking for guys to get a one night stand!
What shall we do? Put all those males into prison?!?

My personal question is: what the heck can a man find in a woman who's drunk?!?
That, in my opinion, is worse than a lousy fuck!!!

Personally, even if I've had some of those silly girls, I was taking them home and letting them sleep, and ONLY after they woke up I did fuck them!

I have alwas enjoyed to have sex with a WOMAN, not just a bag of meat & bones, with some orifices...

Even some of my girlfriends or fuckbuddies, from time to time, used to get drunk - I was always taking care to remain sober enough to be able to take them safely home...
But I wasn't fucking them until they woke up!!!

And last, but not least - when a woman gets undressed, or lets you undress her, than that means that she is willing to have sex with you.

Unless she is a virgin (which I've experienced) and when I have stopped, or let her give me a handjob or a blowjob - because I've had urges too!!! - if she changes her mind, than she's just a tease, scumbag, stupid, retarded or whatever she may be called!
The law here does not say that you are raping her!

To make it VERY clear to you - if a woman accepts to "visit" your appartment, house, hotel room, alone, just you and her, and you don't beat the shit out of her, or you don't threaten her with a knive or whatever, or blackmail her, than, here, NO JUDGE will tell that it's been rape!

Sorry, the post is most probably already too long - what is a man supposed to do?!?
Use hidden cameras while having sex, so that later on, if she goes to the police, he can produce evidence?!?
Or, shall he need to invite some witnesses who, in the court of law, will tell the judge that they've watched and she's been totally agreeing to have sex?...

I don't know how the laws work in your country, but here (exaggerating, ofcourse! ) if the laws were like that, I would be asking my son to jerk off, to put his sperm into a bank of sperm, and, afterwards, I would have him neutered, so that no bloody shitty slut could accuse him of rape!!! :wall:

P.S. Maybe one of us should start a new thread about this - but I still consider that we haven't gone too far from the subject opened by the OP in this thread...

 

I will only pick up one one point Ovid, cause we are not going to see eye to eye on this subject....
A woman can dress ANY way she wants...no matter what she is wearing, doesnt make her a slut...your judgement of what she is wearing makes her a slut. It is YOU and you alone who is making the decision.

 

Well, if you narrow me to only this, OK.

So, as we all know, we are social beings, living in societies.

NOBODY can and / or should dress any way he / she wants, unless they want to shock, outrage, impress, (in a bad manner), draw the attention, express some protest...

The exception is made by the artists (who need to shock / attract as many fans as possible, cause it's good for their business) - especially on the stage.

And... yes! The society's judgement is what "forces" us all to behave (including getting dressed in certain outfits) - the fashion industry!

I don't want to impose, but, in the society I live and the societies I've visited (never been to New Zealand - sorry!), the outfits let you know, or give you a glimpse about the person(s) that you are dealing with...

So, the sluts DO get dressed slutty & the rest of the members of that society DO recognize them...

In fact, and this, surely fits in New Zealand too, there IS a difference between a decently dressed person and otherwise - and please don't claim that I'm wrong, since I've met a very few businessmen and women from your country.

Anyway, it's been nice talking to you!
Happy New Year!

P.S. I don't mean to be rude, but I have to attend some stuff with my family now, so I'll just turn off my coputer.

 

There is just as great of demand for nice girls as there is for bad girls.:razz:

 

I am impressed by the outpouring of support for Maggy. As the Kiwis say, "Good on you". The World has a future with caring people even if they are pervs..Lol