As far as political elections go, networks used to broadcast exit polls and early returns (from the east which is hours ahead of the west). West coast election officials had that process scrapped because people in California or Oregon would see Bush ahead by a landslide and then either not bother to vote or change their vote to Bush so that they are backing a winner. The proposed CAW changes will also stop that "front-runner" voting (for or against) and make all of this more fair for every entrant.

And isn't this what we (as in all on XNXX) want?

 

Since you have studied the proposal so carefully, I would like you to address each portion, one by one and tell me what you think should or shouldn't be there.

 

I have been following from the beginning, we have gone off at tangents at times and changes of a minor nature have been "noted" but the essential format proposed remains unchanged.

I have raised my objections to it; ie lack of transparency in vote counting and no fun in seeing how your story, either as the writer or a supporter, is getting on.

We have made no progress whatsoever because the positions are diametrically opposed.

If I could see any merit in what you're proposing, other than for administrative convenience I would agree with it but I can't so I won't.

Rudolf, isn't he the one they needed to lead the way?

 

He was redeemed in the end but unfortunately shot down, over New Zealand, several years later.

 

Having read through the thread there's more members wanting open voting (on the forum) than wanting private voting (by PM only).
Why not just have a simple poll and go with whatever the majority vote ?

Would only need 2 options

Public voting, on the forum, for all to see.
Private voting, only by PM, where nobody can see.

 

The reason polling might not work is because polling options cap out at 25 choices, and if there are more than 25 entries, there would need to be two polls. An unscrupulous person might cast two votes.

Of course, I'm thinking that there will always be cheaters whether it's by PM or by polling, with socks and such, so the simplest way to eliminate such problems is to just say "screw the popularity contest" and have a board of members (none of whom have entered) act as judges to determine the winner themselves. Of course, this negates the fun of readers participating, making the contest fairly useless.

So, best bet is to figure out what form of voting makes as many people happy as possible while minimizing cheating. The problem here is one cannot assume there is such an option.

 

honest question, since i have no idea, has there ever been more that 25 entries before ?

even if there had to be 2 different polls with votes open for all to see then it would be easy to spot if anyone voted twice. Then just discount both of their votes.

 

Yes, there has been before. And if someone casts two votes, which vote should count? neither?

And there will always be socks and other problems. I'd rather just see a fun little contest without having to care about cheaters and such, but it's hard to find the compromise.

 

Cheers for the answer.
Neither would count. Make that perfectly clear to everybody from the start.

the only way possible i can see to find a compromise is to go with whatever the majority say. that's why i suggested a vote.

 

PM so that no votes are missed by skipping a post. A pm vote will be acknowledged with a pm back so that the voter knows it was received.

 

Another problem with a standard poll for voting is that once it is set, it is set. You can't make changes. So when you have votes that need to be removed because of sock voting, or stories because someone gets banned, it screws the whole CAW up. That's why we came up with a way to get the votes recorded pretty easily without having to deal with double polls, broken polls, etc.

I suggest we try the new method and see how it all works out. If it turns out to be a big flop, we can always go back.

 

I would never want to eliminate the reader from this process. The manual poll worked well, when we were forced to use it after the last issues. There is no was to modify an existing poll and if it has to be redone, as in the last CAW, we would have to notify everyone who voted and give them the option of voting again. If they can't be reached, then some poor writer, who didn't do anything to anyone, may lose votes.

 

So your complaint is that the poll would not be available and updated in real time, for all to see?

 

Votes couldn't be missed with a poll.

maybe you read my post wrong or something.

 

Exactly. Why don't we try out these rules for the next CAW, but don't write anything in stone so we can figure out how well it works? If there is not enough support for it (as in, people simply aren't voting anymore) then we can change to something else.

 

after reading the latest posts by ej and horse i can see what the problem is with poll voting now.

but then PM voting is open to abuse by whoever counts the votes and i'm sure there will be plenty saying it is all fixed by the counter(s).

 

Actually, not. We've come up with a way that will prevent any abuse.

 

Would it not be a good idea to let everybody know the way you've come up with.

will stop people like me asking silly questions and maybe also appease some of those against PM voting.

thanks for the replies also, seeing as i'm not a writer and not a regular here in the stories area.

 

I propose we sate the most vocal among us. Otherwise, this bickering will continue well into May. If the majority are for the new option, that of voting by PM, we will see how it works out on a trial run.

I am for the new option.

 

But the poll did not work because of the issues last time. We're tying to come up with a way so as not to majorly disrupt another CAW, should anyone try anything not quite kosher.