I was not going to add anything more to the thread here until just now.

CAW 11 should be about the fun of writing an original story in a set time frame; to the best each author is able to do so on the given subject.

Lets all get ready for the CAW 11 and make it so great that not only will it set the new standard for all future CAWs, it will shine as the best ever and allow all of us to enjoy it.

In short its due to commence in a few days, get mentally ready for I do intend to do my best in this one - win or lose does not matter to me, I intend to enjoy the pitting of my skills against the best authors here.

 

Please read carefully.

The winner (Ejls) will count the votes. She will not participate. To make sure that she doesn't cheat all other CAW winners will have the password to the vote submission account. We will verify the votes. Ejls will PM those who vote to acknowledge said vote.

I initially suggested another Moderator verify the votes. It was discussed and it didn't solve problems of people saying collusion between two people. I came up with having a special vote gathering account, and letting all previous CAW winners have access to verify. Seemed like an easy ways to avoid claims of collusion. Why CAW winners? Seemed as good a selection of members as any. And yeah, sure, it's a little perk for winning.

Anything else?

 

Please read carefully.

The winner (Ejls) will count the votes. She will not participate. To make sure that she doesn't cheat all other CAW winners will have the password to the vote submission account. We will verify the votes. Ejls will PM those who vote to acknowledge said vote.

I initially suggested another Moderator verify the votes. It was discussed and it didn't solve problems of people saying collusion between two people. I came up with having a special vote gathering account, and letting all previous CAW winners have access to verify. Seemed like an easy ways to avoid claims of collusion. Why CAW winners? Seemed as good a selection of members as any. And yeah, sure, it's a little perk for winning.

Anything else?

Well you don't need Viagra horse; you can make anything hard.

There is no transparency in any of this and " a special vote gathering account". So how are the votes gathered into that account Horse?

If the answer is that someone puts them in there then that's a concern the obvious question being, does she put them all in? Maybe but we don't know.

Regardless of the "little perk" aspect anyone entering should have no part in running the event.

 

Votes are sent by PM to the account. Just a normal PM, a normal account. You want to vote? You send a PM. The host (Ejls, for #11) replies, confirming the vote. The host, who does not enter, is the only person running the event.

 

It's a good thing I didn't ponder an actual question. Everyone is too busy playing with PP to notice. I think I need to write another gore tale anyways.

This is quite an enviable story thread you have here

 

Jesus you are a bug in my ass. I don't know for sure how the voting is going to take place, but I am going to explain this scenario one last time.

If we decide to go with this premise:

1. At the end of the reading period, members will have two weekends and 5 weekdays to submit their votes via pm to a CAW account. It is up to them if they wish to announce their vote on the thread. If not, they must realize by placing a vote, it will be revealed at the end of the voting period.

2. Members will receive a pm that their vote has been received and recorded.

3. I will manually tally the votes, as well as a former CAW winner, so that we can be sure no vote was missed. It's an easy check because all members will be able to see that their vote was counted in the reveal thread.

4. At the end of the voting period, the winner will be announced and the entire forum can see who voted. At that time, if anyone feels their vote was missed, I invite them to post the pm I sent them saying their vote had been registered.

This is the scenario, should voting be done this way. Now, do you understand? Or are you still confused?

And by the way - no one, I repeat No One, calls me a liar or a cheat without some real proof. You apparently have a real issue with my honesty. If that's true - then lay your cards on the table because I'm tired of all of your veiled accusations.

 

Now, let's go forward!

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I just couldn't make sense of how each vote would be communicated. If it's being sent to a "CAW account" that every previous winner has access to, I wasn't comprehending how we'd receive our confirmations. From the newly created account or an actual member's account.

Maybe I should have clarified my intention. I'm sorry for asking a question. It won't happen again, I'll draw conclusions instead.

 

Sweetie - I was not addressing you at all. Please note that I was addressing the quoted post. If I have offended you at all, please accept my apologies.

The CAW host will confirm the receipt of your vote, from the CAW account. Please, ask any questions you have. You see, you tend to only ask them once and then process the information, unlike other members here.

 

Sorry kitty, I missed your question amidst the other noise.

The host will sign into the "CAW" account, will see your vote, and will reply from that account. The host is going to be the only one sending confirmations out from that account. Make sense?

EDIT: and, what Ejls said too, above me, faster than me.

 

For a little bit I thought I truly was invisible.

I can find a little forgiveness in my heart. Thanks horse and e.

 

Well gee I'm so sorry.

So we still have nine glorious days of silence while the votes are accumulated and at the end of that when everyone has forgotten all about it the winner is announced. Oh Hoorah.

But now we can who voted for what, well that's progress back to how it was.

OK your honesty.When have I said you were dishonest; the aim is to ensure no one regardless of who it is can manipulate the result and that applies to you or ELP or DC or anyone else.

You are so keen to make this personal; you came up with a set of ideas and I have commented on them. I couldn't careless who thought them up; they affect members in general in respect of the only contest on the Story Forum and my aim from the start is for them to be good ones.

As I mentioned before the idea of a PM voting system is driven by the expectation that one or more stories will be disqualified.

That seems unduly pessimistic to me given that this is a members run Contest and you will run this in your capacity as a member , not as a moderator and won't know if an account is a sock or not so it has to go back to trust.

 

Considering the dishonesty that was displayed in the last CAW, I am not expecting anything. Never did I imagine that anyone would stoop so low as to cheat the way they did. More than one member lied, and lied to everyone involved in the CAW.

As far as my capacity - it's none of your damn business. I will do what has to be done to protect the integrity of the honest and talented writers here. If I sound overly protective of them and the CAW, then so be it. I am.

Too many people have already tried to ruin it, and for what reason? You act like I'm the enemy. Why don't you point your finger at the members who cheated and lied? I don't hear you blaming them for causing any of this.

Rutger5 was right. This is my CAW to run. Nothing you can say will stop me from running it.

 

No kidding. He was defending one cheater like she was paying him, and then he has the balls to question you and the rest of us.

 

I do too! We form our own group noa: Invisble kittehs 4 lyfe!

 

thank you for posting that. that is exactly what i said 12 hours ago about members cheating, rigging votes and trying to cheat, but one said they couldn't imagine anyone doing that, another agreed and then another said it was only 1 person who tried to cheat.

i honestly do not envy your job of trying to resolve the way the next contest is run and i certainly wasn't trying to be awkward when i was asking questions and putting forward a few ideas that might help.

you seem to have it just about sorted out now so hopefully this time it all goes well and may the best story win.

 

With all do respect I agreed because I don't see it happening with this new set up, but now that I have said this someone will consider it a challenge and try to do so.

 

I fully trust and support the people running the next challenge. The new rules give them the tools they need to keep things fair for all. The old way (using the system poll software) was too inflexible if a cheater were caught. I feel confident that the new setup will work to the benefit of all writers and voters.

And, Prurient Purveyer, I fully agree with ejls when she asks you, "Why don't you point your finger at the members who cheated and lied? I don't hear you blaming them for causing any of this."

Why have you supported the cheaters and not the honest CAW participants?

 

At the risk of running this into the ground.

Points covered:

1. ejls started the whole CAW concept.
2. ejls won CAW #10, so she is the Hostess of CAW #11.
3. The CAW Host/Hostess sets the Challenge theme and spells out the rules.
4. ejls talked about proposed standardized rules (to help to deal with the kinds of shit people did the last time) with several members with whom she communicates periodically.
5. We gave input.
6. She put it all together into a list, and rather than be all draconian and heavy-handed, which she has every right to be, since it was her idea in the first place, she stated this thread.
7. Numerous people have posted to it, some to suggest ideas, some to fight.

Now, for God's sake, let's just post the fucking rules and have ourselves a writing challenge.

You can't please all the people all the time, particularly those who don't participate in the CAWs in any way except to complain.

So, who's ready to write?