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When i'm quoting these scriptures, I am quoting God!
If you go up a few posts, you will see that I explained why wool and linen woven together was forbidden. Of course you can't forbid one thing and let the others pass. They are all forbidden. As for purifying the Tabernacle, it was a sign of respect. The Tabernacle was the place where God dwelt. He laid down the law of people who were sick or with blemishes to respect him by respecting his house. The reason why God commanded these laws in Leviticus was to seperate the Israelites from the surrounding nations. The surrounding nations practiced in incest, homosexuality, child-sacrifices, idol worship, fornication, adultry, murder, witchcraft, bestiality, consumption of unclean animals, and many other practices.
Where did I say anything about pedophilia? I didn't! I don't even like discussing the topic. However, I will answer to the challange. First, marriage between two people of vastly different ages is not forbidden. The women in the bible usually married soon after they got their period. Pedophilia is not directly diecussed in the bible as far as I can tell. I might have missed it. I'm sure though that the term pedophilia is a modern term, like dinosaur. When leviticus talks about raping a woman against her will and taking her virginity, it could have been meant to cover this as well. However, if this was not the case, if pedophilia was prohibited by the king, emporer, chief, or whoever, then it meant that God prohibited it as well. He expects those that follow him to follow and respect the laws of the land.


Romans 13:1-7

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...

1 Peter 2:13-17 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Romans 13:2 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

And yes, I'm so full of hate and hiding behind a smokescreen. I huess me defending that the term of marriage should be universal to all couples that marry and not changed based on the genders getting married was a another smokescreen. I guess I better unfriend my friends who are gay and bisexual as well. While I'm at it, I better unfriend my Athiest friend too.

 

Jerry it is interesting to learn from your post that Pol Pot, Josef Stalin, and Adolf Hitler
had their authority from GOD.

Just because someone says: God told me to do this or to write this it has no real validation.
I can also say that God speaks to me about the corruption in all of the so-called Christian churches and has ordained me to clean them out. Since I am ordained I can speak for God, can't I?

So the first commandment is this in the words of Jesus: LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
This means no hatred directed toward anyone; it means the Old Testament is garbage, and shall from now on be ignored. GOD has spoken through me!

 

I agree that many churches and people are currupt! Hitler and so forth were false prophets, if you want to call them that lol. What I'm trying to understand is why you reject what God says but not what his son says? Jesus never said to ignore the Old Testament. He continuualy encouraged us to follow it.


Matthew 4:4
4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’ ”



Matthew 5:18
18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished



Matthew 5:17
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.



Now I fully agree with you that Love Thy Neighbor means unconditional love. It is no ones place to persacute them or to judge them.

 

wow this thread went down a different road

 

This is way I'm so happy I discovered Nordic Paganism.

 

...excuse me? Could you run that bit by me again?

 

Far too much god here, you do realise that big beardy does not exist outside of your delusions, and jebus was a scam artist who made it big.

 

Its called brain washing. Hitler was very good at it.

 

So is any cult that you attend.

And education is not brainwashing, what the church does is.

 

I feel like you missed the point a little

 

To all moderate Christians.

Please don't all plant yourselves on the moral high ground and spout crap like "it's none of my business what people do, they should be allowed to marry."
Because it's you people that bulk up the numbers and give weight to the Christian religion. It is therefore your fault why only Christians can get elected.

How many of you believe gay people go to heaven? Do you believe Hindus, Muslims and Jews go to heaven? What about atheists? Are you cool with god's infinite punishment to those that don't accept Christ?

I just get the impression that there are a lot of people about that think because they are a moderate christian, they have a better moral compass than the fundamentalists. You are after all, the biggest hypocrites of the lot.

Why do we have any marriage laws at all. Anybody should be able to enter any legal contract with anyone they want and call it what they want. No need to have the government involved. There should be no tax breaks solely for married people.

 

There seems to be a common theme here that god exists, and not just any of the million types of god, but the christian one, with zero evidence to support those claims.

Please note: The bible is not proof of god. It is not proof of anything. Just because it says it is proof of god, it doesn't make it so. The Lord of the Rings is no more factually inaccurate than the bible.

Faith is believing in something without any evidence to support that something.
Therefore faith is just about the most backwards retarded thing in society. If you take something on faith alone, you are an idiot.

 

I would use the word "naive" rather than "idiot" had I worded that previous post. That is just my opinion of course.

To pass such a definitive judgement of someone is a tad harsh.

 

Hey JPT, there is a 9000 year old moon walking panda that lives on the bottom of the pacific ocean called steve. I don't have any evidence for the moon walking panda, but I know this to be true because I read it in a book. The book also states that everything written in the book is true, therefore this is proof alone that steve exists.

Do you have faith in Steve?

The only difference between "naive" and "idiot" is age.

 

(Shooter, having been gone for several days, enters the discussion very late.)

I'm old school. I don't support gay marriage. Marriage is meant to be between a man and a woman. Not a man and women, or woman and men or men or men and men and women and woman and so on.

Like I said, old school.

And before you haters jump, no I am not homophobic, and I want gays to find as much happiness as I have in life. You want to enter into a legal contract, fine, you have my blessing. You want to raise kids, fine, you have my blessing. You want to live in a commune and practice "free love" fine, you have my blessing.

The law determines who gets what tax breaks, and in some cases what benefits and rights married couples have, and singles, and so on. If you have issues with the benefits married couples enjoy and feel you should have them as well, then go beat up your congressman. If your motivation for getting married is tax breaks you maybe want to check what the hell you're doing. If your motivation is benefits, or rights, you maybe ought to check your motivation.

Marriage isn't about tax breaks or benefits. It's about declaring your love for your wife/husband and living your life together and maybe even raising kids. But, you don't NEED to get married to do any of those things. I got married cause I was in love and wanted to spend the rest of my life with my best friend. I didn't NEED to get married to do that, and I sure as hell wasn't thinking of tax breaks when I decided to get married.

And before you beat me up about how I can do what I wanted (get married) and gays can't, well, I couldn't be a professional pilot at that time cause my eyes were to bad. I couldn't be a surrogate mom cause I got this wienie thing hanging out of my crotch. I couldn't get tax breaks offered to native American Indians cause as far as I know, I got no indian blood lines. I can't be a professional swimsuit model cause I don't and didn't have the body lines for it. Society at large discriminates against fat people. In 1971 I was denied a job because I wasn't married. Fine. Found a better job anyway.

Simply, just about anything you want to accomplish by getting married you can accomplish with a lawyer, or a financial adviser, or by beating up a congress member. And, what you can't accomplish, you should move on from; there's probably things the law gives you that I don't get, and benefits you have that I don't.

Now, if somehow things change and gays can marry and enjoy all the benefits I do, I will not fall on the floor screaming, or divorce my wife in protest, or march on Washington. I won't agree with it, but I'm not going to get my undies all wadded up over it either.

Which brings me around to my conclusion, and which I could have started with; Life ain't fair. Deal with it.

 

Tell that to my kid when he was 3 years old and I was about to do something and he called "I think mommy will be really mad at you if you do that daddy", lol.

 

It seems to me that you've dressed up your protest to same sex marriage but no matter what it's still a protest.

Why should a union between two people be classed as a marriage only if those two people of of opposite sex? Why are heteros so intent on grabbing and keeping these words to themselves? It won't taint a hetero marriage if the gay couple next door also get married. The word won't become dirty. It won't turn you gay. And if it somehow has a negative effect on your own marriage then there's something fundamentally wrong with your marriage.

 

Marriage is not sanctified in the Bible - in fact it is hardly mentioned. Marriage as a major institute started in Europe in the early Renaissance when cities began to form and property accumulated. Marriage was formalized in those times as a means to allow the legal and practical disbursement of accumulated property. Prior to that time most people did not get married and there were no civil and religious provisions for marriage except for Kings and Queens as a means for political union. Note that marriage originally then was for property rights, an issue of money. Only later did marriage become defined as a means for procreation. If procreation is the issue, then why can sterile individuals get married? Note also that while "marriage" is commonly a religious rite, divorce always takes place under civilian authority (because it involves the distribution of assets.).

 

You can call Christians, Muslims, Jews, and every other religion what you want. It doesn't hurt our feelings. I hold firm to my faith, nothing will change that! I have witnessed things that were incredible! BTW, idiot is a slang term for senior citizens with memory loss.And aren't you going on a blind faith that there is no God? It's fine if you don't believe in a god, but quit discriminating against those who do! The world has enough of that!