After the latest mass murder committed by a lawful gun carrying citizen in Denver. I guess the NRA , Ted Nudgent et al, will say its just another random thing, the maybe 50th random shooting/murder by a licensed gun owner this year alone.

However this one left 12 dead and 50 wounded, whats it going to take before Americans realize that their neighbor is NOT a responsible gun owner and it's better they all give up their guns, for every ones safety.

 

While the incident is more than unfortunate those that own guns are not about to give them up....

for those that have not seen the current worst event with a mad man here it is...

https://forum.xnxx.com/showthread.php?t=298836

 

really ? disarming the populace would be an infringement of their fundamental rights i believe, and voluntary disarmament would never cut ice with the more unstable or shadier folks.

PS this thread is a part of the gun rights debate.

 

Yeah, then we can be like Mexico where all guns are illegal and everyone is safe....

 

DEBUNKED

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guns and girls, perfect.

 

I have several points to make about this
1. The bill of rights says we have the right to "keep and bare arms"
2. There is no way you are going to get some people such as me to give up our guns, if the government tries this they are going to be met at the front door holding one on them demanding them off my property.
3. How can you go against the bill of rights
4. Even if guns are banned and taken away, the criminals are going to find another way to commit their dirty doings.

In other words, it is not the fucking guns that kill people, it is the assholes behind the guns that don't have enough mother fucking sense to equal that in a fucking goose! I swear I always hear the same shit, outlaw guns, outlaw violent video games tv and movies, censor free speech. Yeah thats right, first they take away guns, and you can watch every other right start to slowly disappear as well. Give'em an inch? Hell that will not be good enough for them. They will take the whole fucking expressway!

 

Reminds me of a pawn shop we have in our area, You can get your guns or whatever, and go into the next room and get your porno, sex toys or whatever all in the same place!

 

Taking guns away from the responsible owners would be the worst thing you could do. You should do some research on countries that have banned guns from responsible owners, the crime rates in those countries jumped seriously high. Another thing is that despite these isolated cases, guns don't kill as many people as fires, drowning, car wrecks, etc. It's obvious that this person was not a responsible owner and you cannot pass judgement on all gun owners for a few isolated incidents. Just the other day this 70 year old man was in line at a convenience store when he was suddenly pushed aside by a younger male in his 20's. The guy who pushed the older gentleman pulled a gun and was in the process of robbing the clerk when the 70 year old pulled out his licensed gun and shot the robber in the leg. The clerk then called the police and the robber was arrested and the police congratulated the senior citizen. Think about scenerios like this for a moment. Why do you think some countries hasn't tried to evade and attack us on our home soil yet? It's because of the ratio of citizened gun owners.

 

I have no problem with gun owners. My dad had several - collectibles and those he used for hunting. I have a problem with the system and the background checks. I have a problem with the illegal guns available on the street. I have a problem with semi-automatics that have no business being owned by private citizens. And how the hell does someone acquire grenades? They are not needed for protection or for hunting.

Now before anyone jumps my shit, yes, I know how to use a gun. When I was 12 my father taught me how to load, cock and shoot. The damn thing nearly tore my shoulder off and knocked me on my ass. He looked down at me and simply said, "It's not a toy, is it?". We knew where they were kept. We knew which drawer held the ammo. Did we ever dream of touching his guns? Hell no.

There's nothing wrong with responsible gun owners.

 

talking about appearances

Which is more dangerous: Flying the unsafe skies or driving where you want to go?

If there is an accident, then the skies are more fatal but mile per passenger mile, the airplane is safer by far.

In the same way, allowing guns to be held by the public can cause "accidents" to be noticed. HOWEVER, taking those guns away from the public puts them into the hands of the criminals who don't care about legalities and then they cause small time incidents which are more deadly then when guns are held by individuals.

 

Semi-autos are for target shooting and competition shooters. Most of us like them because of the competition aspect, even if it is just one of trying to score higher than a friend at a certified gun range. Its when they are used by evil men, that the object becomes inherently evil. Don't blame the tool for the problem, blame the person wielding it.

As far as 'grenades' go. It was smoke. Smoke is legal to buy. Smoke is used in paintball scenarios, marking landing zones for aircraft, and signaling a location for rescue when on a boat. Just because dipshit used it for a fucked up reason doesn't mean its evil as well.

He could have had mk.67 Fragmentation Grenades, but he didn't (illegal to own, buy, distribute, or use and heavily regulated by the ATF)
He could have Mk. II grenades from WWII or Korea, but he didn't.
He could have had high explosive or Incendiary grenades, but he didn't. Why? Because they are impossible for normal people to get.

Outside of terrorists funded by governments, the military, and Mexican Cartels, grenades aren't seen. Ever. Unless you make them, but thats regulated by the ATF as well, and even possessing them is a huge felony.

Its a shame this event happened. But its the persons fault, not the guns. Evil men will do evil, no matter what tool they use. Be it a pen, or a rifle.

 

ok, see lots of the normal gun manic owners responses, the guy and his gun just killed 15 people and wounded scores more, when are you going to give up this 2nd amemdment crap, your not responsible enough now to have guns, maybe you were 200-300 years ago, but not now.

 

Yeah this is very sad, But let me make this simple anyone that tries to take this Marine's guns is going to start a war they can't win. I don't like aggresion or killing and hope I never have to again but I fought for my rights and I'll be damned if someones going to take them just because someone had a mental breakdown and killed a few people. Have a nice day!:excited: BTW I own fully automatic weapons like machine guns.

 

Clearly, this is the fault of the government. The shooter used roads and bridges to get to the theatre. In the words of our illustrious President, "You didn't build that." This isn't the shooter's massacre, he didn't do this by himself.

 

and if it was your whole family machine gunned down by a vet suffereing from PTSD, that would be cool,as it protects your hard fought for rights to carry a deadly weapon and kill others?

 

Look, I owned guns before I went into the Navy, I've owned guns after I got out. Guess what, I've never killed anyone out side of Desert Storm or in a personal deffence. What happened in Dever sucks. Shit happens, 12 died, how many thousands died this week of car accidents?

 

It should not be about denying the rights of citizens to bear arms, what should be considered is the person bearing them, they should be checked to see if they are stable and mandatory training and licences should be issued.

I love guns, I spent my adult life around guns of all sizes from a .22 up to a 10" M110, and what scares me about them is not the the metal but the fuckwit holding it, that said I see no need for me to own a gun so I don't.

 

His gun? This was not a guy with his gun. Did you read the news?

Holmes was wearing a bullet-proof vest and riot helmet and carrying a gas mask, rifle, and handgun, when he was apprehended, according to police. Federal Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms sources told ABC News that agents will begin tracing an assault rifle, shotgun, and two handguns used in the attack.

 

Well yeah I'd be pissed and hunt and kill the man that did it but I still wouldn't try and ban everyone else from owning guns because of anothers actions.