Most of this are just talking points for politicians, allowing them to seem to stand for something. We don't need any more gun laws. When's the last time a criminal decided to follow a particular law? What we need are stiffer penalties. One of these would be that if a registered gun is used in a crime by someone other then yourself (duh), and there is no police report stating it was lost or stolen (most likely a straw purchase), then you go to jail. People point to the crazy amount of gun violence in this country, and I'll admit, there's tons, but most of it is from individuals that can not legally own a gun. They either steal them, or have someone make a straw purchase. More gun laws simply hurt the responsible gun owners in this country.

 

It looks like our decisive leader has decided to abandon his efforts to create more guns laws. Poor obama.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/GunControl-Politics/2012/07/26/id/446721

It's not surprising. Harry Reid flatly refused to take up any gun control laws in the Senate before the election, claiming their long gruelling work calender was just too full. I think they work three or four days a week when they're actually in session.

At least Obama's earlier call for a return of the failed assault weapons ban has made gun owners aware of obama's desire to take them away. That should help get out the pro second amendment vote in November.

This is turning out to be a win-win situation. Obama is scaring the pro gun community right before an election while doing absolutely nothing to increase gun laws.

 

I've seen similar poll results before but this time is the first time a conservative/Republican pollster has come up with the same results.

 

I would like for gun ownership in the United States to be treated the way automobile ownership is: as a privilege granted by the government, rather than as a right guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

In order to own a gun one should first get a license. Every gun should be registered with the FBI, or another government agency. Every registration should include the results of a ballistics test. Consequently, if a crime is committed, and if a bullet is retrieved, it will be possible to find out who has the legal right to own the gun.

Prohibiting weapons has worked in the past. Sub machine guns and switchblade knives were prohibited. Now few Americans own them.

 

That cannot be done as the right to own is in the Constitution and the Supreme Court has said it applies to all Americans. IL may be fighting it but that is also back in court. They have very strict gun laws and look at the murder rate.

If they said we intend to get the guns out of criminals hands that would be different and they would never do that.:excited:

 

Let me ask you one very simple question just to show what a hysterical idiot you really are.

Can anyone who wants one go out and buy a fully automatic machine gun or does our constitution already allow some restrictions on the purchase of guns?

 

And you are contending people in the pro-gun community was going to vote for Obama in the first place???

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I would like for the Second Amendment to be repealed.

 

Now this is so utterly stupid on the part of Mitt Romney I'm going to have to put it up in at least two places.

Ignoring ammonium nitrate law, Romney says OKC bombing is reason for no gun control

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/...ays-okc-bombing-is-reason-for-no-gun-control/

 

I think a lot more training, including firing the weapon, cleaning the weapon, storing and securing the weapon, and safety training would be a great idea. I think most people would encourage such things. The problem lies with making these things a requirement or law, that stands in the way of the second amendment. Legislating the training into law is probably not a solution.

I'm not sure what gun store owners are like, but maybe they should offer a cheap/free 15 minutes basic safety training for first time buyers. Or maybe the NRA should offer free basic training for members ( they may already do, I don't know), bring your own gun and ammo along for a for a few hours and they cover standard procedures. I think the problem with that may be that those with NRA memberships are already trained, responsible gun owners, and it would not be the desired target market.

In the UK, the police do virtually free advanced motorbike training for people with already a full license, the idea is to improve the safety of bikers on the road, don't see why a similar thing couldn't be done with weapons.

 

Let's look at this aspect of it. The Colorado killer applied for membership at a gun club but just his message on his answering machine was so strange the owner of the gun club instructed his employees not to let him on the gun range until he had talked with him personally. His behavior was just that suspicious.

Now if the killer had to pass a training course and have a license before he could purchase assault weapons with high capacity clips would he have gotten the guns?

I sure don't think so.

In fact I point to the tens of thousands of fully automatic machine guns in private hands and the fact we've never had even a single deliberate killing with a fully automatic machine gun.

Why?

Because you have to have a license to own one and they don't just hand out machine guns to anyone who has the money.

 

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Let's get rid of spoons while we're at it, then there will be no fat people. Obesity kills many more than guns.

 

You know what frightens me is that people which this poor thinking ability might actually own a gun.

 

Yes. There's many Democrats and independents who own and like their guns. Gun ownership is not restricted to only Republicans. No doubt that some of them got sucked into the stadiums full of brainwashed zombies chanting "Yes we can" or "Sieg Heil" or whatever the hell it was they were chanting back in 2008.

There's always some people in the middle. Either blue dog Democrats or "moderate" Republicans or independents, who go back and forth between the parties.

And even if some won't actually vote for the guy in the "other" party, issues like this can have a big enough impact on voter enthusiasm and therefore on voter turnout to swing an election.

Some election analysts believe Gore lost his home state of Tennessee in 2000 over the gun control issue. He would have won the election if he'd won his home state. He wouldn't have even needed Florida.

 

My post was aimed more so at the significant number of accidental deaths caused by guns, which presumably greatly outnumbers the deaths cause by people on armed rampages.

In my opinion you cannot legislate against a person like the Colorado killer. The person clearly had no regard for the law, and he could have illegally obtained weapons rather easily( I say easily because even in the UK with a complete ban on pistols, anyone could illegally obtain one in a few hours if they tried hard enough).

I also heard the man booby trapped his home with explosives, you take guns away from this guy and he sounds more than capable of filling a bag with explosives and nails, leaving it in the theatre, and exiting with probably a similar number of fatalities and the same level of chaos.

 

But most gun owning Democrats like myself and moderates want to go back to the 1994 ban on assault weapons and high capacity clips so I think taking a stand will help President Obama more than hurt him just like many polls are already showing.

 

Nope you're right there's no sure way of stopping deranged killers but there sure of lots of ways we can limit their capacity to kill.

And you know its funny you should mention the bombs because our government has definitely taken steps to restrict anything that can be used for bomb making but we can't do that with guns?

 

humm are guns out of controle?

I have actually been looking at statistics.....and other all be it boring information to try and get an oppinion on the issue

90% of what i have looked at shows that gun violence in not really out of controle at all

its more the people that use a gun

forgot where i noticed this line but it stuck with me

"A guy robbs a store with a gun.....but if you take away his gun he will still try to rob the store he will just use a difforent weapon"

hummm i dunno starting to think there allot of people over seas in the us who have guns and are responsible with them

 

That might be true but if we limit assault rifles with 100 shot magazines it sure cuts down on the amount of damage they can inflict.

And if we've got so many responsible gun owners in the US how come we have loaded guns falling out of kids pockets at school?

How come about 30,000 Americans are killed by guns every year?

How come I have another thread nearly dominated with with really stupid gun accidents that happen all the time in the US.

No, I have to disagree. I've owned and shot guns all my life and never imagined I'd be looking at the level of gun carelessness I'm witnessing now let alone 36 of these kind of mass killings in 30 years?