I totally agree with this and would maintain its time to put assault rifles in the same category as machine guns because as you point out that system seems to working really well.

Actually I tend to agree with this but have to wonder how a psychiatrist would deal with the confidentially requirements or if knowing they were going to get put on a no gun buy list if some people needing psychiatric help would refuse it.

I'm still thinking a ban on assault weapons and high capacity clips would be a better way to go.

Hey I've been advocating for this ever since Ronald Reagan closed down all the mental health care facilities and turned the patients loose on the street.

Much more emphasis on mental health and actually providing the needed facilities and personnel I believe is one of our most pressing social needs. Because as it is now we are mostly just warehousing our mentally ill in private for profit prisons.

And you may have a point that tagging someone as too mentally ill to buy a gun would be a good idea. But I'm not sure the mental health counselors and psychiatrists would go for it because it would violate the patients confidentially and probably keep people who need mental health counseling from seeking it for fear of ending up on a government list.

But I'd be willing to go that way if it were possible, however, I'd still make it way harder for just anyone to get their hands on assault weapons with high capacity clips.

 

Democratic Senators Introduce Ban On High Capacity Gun Magazines Like The One Used In The Aurora Shooting

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...nes-like-the-one-used-in-the-aurora-shooting/

 

That is the wrong tack, education and screening for mental stability, there is little difference between a 10 and 10 plus magazine, in the hands of a competent user you would barely notice a mag change. And is it likely that a criminal or someone who is bent on shooting up the next place going to care what other laws they break. A knee jerk reaction and one that should be ignored.

 

My 2 cents

Having gun controll is not going to fix shit. Normal people that own guns are not shooting up people everywhere. If someone wants a gun they would just buy it off the street. Criminals don't care about the law and surely don't follow it. So them makin it harder for average citizens to get guns and drive up prices is not helping anything

 

Nope, I can't buy that because during the Gabby Giffords shooting in Arizona I believe the shooter had a 30 shot clip and when he ran out of bullets in that clip a little old lady slapped his next clip out of his hand and he was subdued before he could reload.

 

How many times as that happened? Just the once I am guessing.

 

U.N. Arms Trade Treaty Fails On U.S. Opposition After False NRA Gun Rights Threat

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/un-arms-trade-treaty-nra_n_1711578.html

 

You might want to take a moment and stop being ignorant and look below there is some interesting FACTS you might actually learn something instead of going off of your own personal feelings.

The fist article shows that Holmes was seeking psychiatric treatment and the therapist recieved a notebook giving details and plans regarding the attack, if this is true why did the therapist not commit him, like they should have, for his safety and ours. As well once you've been committed to a mental institution or adjudicated mentally defective (adjudicated incompetent of your own affairs) you're unable to purchase a fire arm legally. As well if he was taking stimulant, depressants or any other controlled substance (such as prescribed medication) he lied on the form. In which is a felony in itself cause he lied on a legal document and he was fully aware of what he was doing cause he was an "extremely smart person" as the media puts it.

http://www.examiner.com/article/jam...rt-to-keep-it-privileged?cid=CommunityPacific

the next two show what private gun owners can help prevent while you're waiting for the police to arrive. the first article happened two days before the Aurora shooting. the second one happend two days ago.
http://www.ocala.com/article/20120713/ARTICLES/120719846

http://www.whptv.com/news/local/sto...-spree-at-grocery/KfFgHz9Y5U2ISAIt_52E3g.cspx

this next one just shows simple facts that neither you, Jessie Jackson, or Mayor Bloomberg can argue.



I hope this will shed some light on the situation and make you realize. Evil people will do evil things.

 

sadly no matter the amounts or validity of any evidence can prove to some that responsible firearms owners are not a danger to the general public they will find reason to believe that we all are killers

james holmes bought 6000 rounds in 4 months and that was not a red flag for anyone

also the note book was mentioned after the package scare

and as of yet no-one has mentioned the cellular tansmission to the police stating that if holmes was not released there would be more bloodshed
and a 2nd suspect was questioned( the person that sent the cell transmission) and was a member of the same PhD program as holmes

as i said to those that called him a psychopath, at best he is a sociopath

difference is a sosciopath can go a lifetime without killing untill they find thier match, either a sub or dom, the fact that he offered no resistance shows he was the submissive

 

You must be fucking joking no way in hell should we give up our guns. It's un-American to even say such a thing.

 

Really?! Really, that is why you think China did not invade us? I suggest you get out the history books my friend, take a look which side China was fighting on. The school system is a worry.

 

42,636 people die from vehicle accidents every year.....195,000 people die from doctor's mistakes per year

and this is direct from the criminals for gun control home page


Who are we and what do we believe?
We, the members of the International Criminals Union, declare our position that all free and sovereign nations unite to ban the possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens.
It is our belief that our profession becomes more dangerous without strong and strict laws to regulate and prevent law-abiding citizens from possessing firearms. When only criminals and police can own a firearm our union's potential for growth will be unsurpassed. The disarming of law-abiding citizens will allow our union to continue forth to the next generation with decreased risks of injury or our murder. "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty." -- Adolf Hitler (H.R. Trevor-Roper, Hitler's Table Talks 1941-1944) -- Even Hitler had it right. Subjects should be disarmed! Disarm law-abiding citiznes of the US of all firearms NOW!

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

Let's look at a mass killer from 1966, the "Tower Sniper"

He killed 16 and wounded 32, two of the people his wife and his mother were killed with a knife.

His weapons:
Rem 700 (6mm) Bolt action
M1 carbine (.30) 15 round mag semi-auto
Rem 141 (.35) 5 shot pump action
Sears 12ga, semi-auto
S&W M19 (.357) 5 shot revolver
Luger (9mm) 6 shot semi-auto
Galesi-Brescia (.25) 5 or 6 shot semi-auto
Knife(type unspecified)

During his autopsy it was found that he had a brain tumor. Which the Marine medical(he was dishonorably discharged), and all the civilian medical and psychologists he had been to missed. Being that MRI was not around in 1966, that is not unusual, what is strange is I can not find any mention of X-rays being taken, that would of showed the tumor.

All his weapons with the exception of the M1 were low capacity sporting weapons.

Death by weapon type:

Knife 2
Shot gun 3
Rifle butt 1(contradiction in the article on this one, casualty list says beaten and shot, else where in the article say just beaten)
The rest were 1 shot 1 kill rifle shots.

With the height of the tower and being personally familiar with all 3 rifles, I'm betting the Rem 700 was used in the majority if not all the rifle kills, being it had a scope mounted.

Assult rifles and high capasity magazines are not an issue. Nor are hand guns for that matter.

What seems to me to be the problem is a serious short fall in the treatment of mental and in the Whitman case physical health. Whitman tried to get help, as also Holmes did and the medical system failed.

 

The difference I see is the tower shooter was up in the top of that tower for hours in order to shoot 48 people.

The Colorado shooter because of his semi automatic assault weapon with a 100 shot magazine killed and wounded 70 people in less than two minutes.

 

The difference I see is that armed civilians helped to pin him down so that the death toll was not higher.

What I also see is untreated mental illness being at the root of both shootings. In fact I see untreated mental illness being the thread that ties all the mass murders together in this country.

The problem is not guns, or drum mags, or assault weapons for that matter, it's mistreated mental illness.

 

I'm in full agreement we need to revolutionize our approach to treating and even tracking mental illness.

But I see no reason to make it easier for some nut case to shoot 70 people until we get around to it.

 

Scalia Suggests ‘Hand-Held Rocket Launchers’ Are Protected Under Second Amendment

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/29/602491/scalia-rocket-launcher/

 

Hooray!!! Finally someone states the obvious.

There are laws on the books RIGHT now that make it mandatory for psychiatrists to report patient names into a national database. ENFORCE THE LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. Geez................it ain't rocket science.

 

being a patient of a psychiatrist does not make one insane/
psychopaths do not plan killings like this, this was well planned and very well coordinated alsmost like a police or military style assault

witnesses stated that "gas" came from both sides of the theater

a truely psychopathic personality reveals itself in childhood with the torture and killing of animals and leads to abusive personal relationships and then to thier final breaking poin or stress point

a sociopathic personality may not ever show signs of being "disturbed" until they find thier other half
sociopaths are either dom or sub
learn the difference it is important

submissive sociopaths tend to do well in limited social engagements and exell in scholastic endeavors while dominant tend to be outgiong and almost below the average in education

as far as the coffee shop in seattle the dad knew there was an issue but never acted on it, he left the guns in his sons possesion


treating mental illness can be tricky because most do not think that they are the mentaly ill
i see a psychiatrist to deal with stress and business and every single demand on my time and body, it does help to vent once in a while
also i carry my ghosts from my military time with me

perhaps before we judge the firearms we should look into the monitoring of the sales of the guns and ammo>why is there no database that shows frequency of buys, why can 1 person purchase a crate of AR-15s,


think long and hard.............the biggest arms dealer in the world is the US government

 

The assault weapons ban of the 1990's accomplished exactly nothing. I am going to give you a couple of examples of weapons that were effected by the assault weapons ban and show you exactly what changed.

The first is the FN-FAL (L1A1 to the Brits and the C-1 to the Canadians.)



This is the altered rifle designed to comply with the rules of the ban.



Do you see any real difference? There isnt one. The stock was altered to eliminate the seperate pistol grip, the bayonet attatchment was eliminated and the flash hider/rifle grenade attatchment was removed. The function of the rifle was completely uneffected.

The next example is the Ruger Mini 14 rifle. A very popular sporting rifle seen first in its ban legal appearance and second in its more menacing looking form.





What most people dont understand is that the two rifles above are functionaly IDENTICAL. They look very different but they are in fact the very same rifle. Same firepower, same accuracy, same eevrything except that one looks mean and nasty and they other looks like it belongs in the back window of a pickup truck. Cosmetics are the big issue that people take issue with. In reality, a simple hunting shotgun with the appropriate ammunition is deadlier than the average assault rifle at close range and with slugs even at longer ranges. The average deer rifle is more powerful shot for shot than any assault rifle, and will easily smoke through even the best military body armor. The destructive ability of the average hunting round for a common deer rifle makes the odds of survival very, very slim. Thats what they were meant to do. Had the theater shooter waded into that theater with nothing more than the shotgun and a shell bag full of 00 buckshot the body count would have been considerably higher. Many people survive being shot with assault rifles but its very rare for people to survive a shotgun blast. Im not even going to get into the effectiveness of shotgun slugs or improvised ammunition.

The best method and the easiest method to impliment is to simply red flag the menatly ill so that they cannot buy guns and ammo. The next thing would be to impliment the same rules for regular firearms that we have in place for automatic weapons. Over half of the machine guns in the U.S. are owned by private citizens, not the military. And for those who think a folding stock makes a weapon deadlier...no...it doesnt. It actualy makes it LESS deadly. The shouldnr stock adds stability and accuracy for the shooter. Without it, hitting what you aim at is next to impossible. I have tried.